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Old 10-19-2012, 04:38 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Nah, there's plenty to know. I mean, that one kid voted for Eminem over Nas and hasn't even HEARD Illmatic. If you haven't heard an artists best album, then you don't know shit and shouldn't be voting.

I can guarantee quite a few people have heard very little from some of the rappers they voted against....in which case, they are uninformed aka don't know shit.
If people are voting against someone they haven't heard at least an album of they shouldn't be voting at all. No disagreement there.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:44 PM   #112 (permalink)
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If people are voting against someone they haven't heard at least an album of they shouldn't be voting at all. No disagreement there.
Even hearing just one album is way too low. If all I'd heard from Ice Cube was one of his recent albums, I wouldn't have any idea of why he's supposed to be great.

I'm gonna say they should have heard at least 50% of an artist's albums, including their "best albums" if it's an artist where there's a pretty clear consensus on their best.

And I think even 50% is pretty low/lenient.
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Pac leading 22-17
Nas leading 23-16
Damn... On one hand, I don't want Eminem to overtake Nas.

On the other, I want B.I.G. to overtake Pac.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:33 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Damn... On one hand, I don't want Eminem to overtake Nas.

On the other, I want B.I.G. to overtake Pac.
Biggie should be strolling it IMO. I still don't know what I'm missing with Pac, to me he's a really talented guy that never made a true classic album. Loads of great songs, but as a whole, Ready To Die stomps anything he put out.

It's not like I've actually got Notorious as my GOAT or anything, I don't even think there is a best ever. I've just always had Pac as being in the tier slightly below the very best.

He'll win easily if he goes through, though.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:35 PM   #115 (permalink)
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Me Against the World is the only Pac album that I consider great.

That due to the fact that Pac's other albums always felt like they had a lot of filler in them. That being said, you take Pac's best songs against Biggie's best songs and I'm taking Pac.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:41 PM   #116 (permalink)
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I've always liked Pac a hell of a lot, but it always seemed to me that there was this really hardcore group of fans who really liked Pac. There's no reasoning with 'marks'.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:49 PM   #117 (permalink)
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I've always liked Pac a hell of a lot, but it always seemed to me that there was this really hardcore group of fans who really liked Pac. There's no reasoning with 'marks'.
It's with Eminem stans too, big marks. They'll defend anything he's released, and with 2Pac people think he's a fucking messiah and sacrifice or some shit.
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Me Against the World is the only Pac album that I consider great.

That due to the fact that Pac's other albums always felt like they had a lot of filler in them. That being said, you take Pac's best songs against Biggie's best songs and I'm taking Pac.
Yeah, but then he's got a much bigger discography, so there has to be more good songs for him to even be considered. Me Against The World is great but I don't really see it as being on a different level to say, Slim Shady/Marshall Mathers LPs. I like the album a whole lot but I'm not seeing it as a classic.

Take All Eyez On Me, for example. That's a double album and over half of it is basically average, IMO. It moved away from the social consciousness aspect that early Pac was about, and it was basically a party album. Everyone knows he put that much material out to get through the Death Row contract as quickly as possible. Yet you look on Sputnik, as a cursory glance, and it's averaging 4.1/5. Things like that could help you make an argument that the guy's overrated, just because his status in pop culture has pushed him to a level that musically, I don't feel he reached that often.

Pac was insanely talented and had some absolute classic songs, no-one is gonna deny that, but it's almost like his discography, even just the albums before his death, aren't properly examined. Yet people are more than willing to mark down Eminem, Cube, Nas, Jay Z, and many others because their non-classic albums aren't up to scratch. Obviously it all comes down to opinions but the argument that Pac is the best ever is a really difficult one to make, IMO, but I'd like it if someone could convince me otherwise.
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I don't believe Pac is the best ever but I see where you're coming from on All Eyez on Me. Filled with nothing but filler and the 7 Day Theory, Pac just came off as an angry, deranged man to me.
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MATW is a classic
All Eyez on me isn't
Makaveli.....probably just misses it. Songs like To Live and Die in LA, Me and my Girlfriend, Hold Ya Head (last verse is one of Pac's best ever), Life of an Outlaw, are all fucking amazing. But when you 1/4 of your album are mainly diss tracks, can'be a classic imo
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