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Old 10-18-2012, 11:52 PM   #791 (permalink)
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As far as rappers being fake goes, you can't just look at their music. Music is art, like movies. You don't watch Clerks and think Jason Mewes in real life is Jay from the movie. Sometimes when rappers say tough shit on a record they do it to sell and build an artistic image. Do you really think L actually snuffed Jesus? Hell no, it's horrorcore. It's art.

It's not like Drake is all of a sudden carrying tec-9s and and flashing red bandannas. Take his music for what it is. That said, I pick my spots when it comes to his music. Very selective.



Probably his best verse ever.
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:54 PM   #792 (permalink)
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People are being force fed a lot of it man. How can you not see that? I get the whole "Well, if you don't like it, don't listen" But come on, there are so many talented artists out there who deserve that spotlight. Not a bunch of hacks. It's all that people know about Hip Hop now, I'm 19 years old, I should know.

People are still clinging on for hope of better music, I mean 2pac's music is still getting played, Biggie is massive now etc. It's just a bunch of old record company guys who are out of touch and all they care about is money, nothing else, even though they have billions, they aren't ready to try something new because they have their safety net in YMCMB, Chris Brown etc.

Oh, and to the the whole "Death Row isn't anything like YMCMB" I'm not talking in terms of talent, I'm talking in terms of stature and popularity, that is all. None of the YMCMB talent could hold a candle to Death Row, not even Top Dogg.
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People are being force fed a lot of it man. How can you not see that? I get the whole "Well, if you don't like it, don't listen" But come on, there are so many talented artists out there who deserve that spotlight. Not a bunch of hacks. It's all that people know about Hip Hop now, I'm 19 years old, I should know.

People are still clinging on for hope of better music, I mean 2pac's music is still getting played, Biggie is massive now etc. It's just a bunch of old record company guys who are out of touch and all they care about is money, nothing else, even though they have billions, they aren't ready to try something new because they have their safety net in YMCMB, Chris Brown etc.

Oh, and to the the whole "Death Row isn't anything like YMCMB" I'm not talking in terms of talent, I'm talking in terms of stature and popularity, that is all. None of the YMCMB talent could hold a candle to Death Row, not even Top Dogg.
Kendrick Lamar, A$AP Rocky, and J Cole are all becoming huge mainstream players. No doubt in the next 1-2 years these three will be all over the place. Hopefully KRIT can get up there too, but I'm not sure how much southern hip hop is really accepted right now.
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Go look at some old Rap City freestyles, you can find so many instances where x rapper here phones it in and freestyles some lines from a song off one of their albums. Even recently, go to the GOOD Music cypher a year ago, Kanye does it. Freestyles don't "prove" anything for me.

Also, how are Drake and Bieber phonies? They never claimed to be great freestylers (Bieber isn't even a rapper for that matter) or anything.
I don't really place a high priority on freestyling. Lil Wayne is one of the best at freestyling but his overall music is garbage. Of course, it should be a requirement to be an OK freestyler but as long as the music that you write down is great then that's what really matters.

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Kanye has never been a top elite rapper, he is in the Dr. Dre class of producing and rapping. Drake, Lil Wayne etc. All claim to be top Hip Hop talent but they can't rap for shit and they're just bubblegum pop music.
In terms of lyrical content, Kanye is way above Dr. Dre. It's not even close.

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I was referring more to the "corporate douche bags" type of comments. And now you gave another one with.....Two good talents going today, huh? LOL. Yeah, that's indicative of that phase I'm talking about too, lol. "Fuck Nelly and Jay-Z and Cash Money! That Kweli is the real shit! It's all about the underground!". Wash, rinse, repeat, shit don't change, just the names do.
What do you have against Kweli anyway? Sure he can get preachy at times but he's a great rapper with great lyrics.
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As far as rappers being fake goes, you can't just look at their music. Music is art, like movies. You don't watch Clerks and think Jason Mewes in real life is Jay from the movie. Sometimes when rappers say tough shit on a record they do it to sell and build an artistic image. Do you really think L actually snuffed Jesus? Hell no, it's horrorcore. It's art.

It's not like Drake is all of a sudden carrying tec-9s and and flashing red bandannas. Take his music for what it is. That said, I pick my spots when it comes to his music. Very selective.



Probably his best verse ever.
Of course, I get that Hip Hop is an art but Drake is just another corporate puppet, that is all he will be, and the rest of YMCMB. Drake, the person..is delusional, the whole Aaliyah thing is way too weird, no input from Timbaland or even Missy Elliot? It's odd.

Drake isn't even in the same level as Big L. Big L is a freak, I mean that in the best way possible.

Drake just tries to put on this tough guy image outside of Hip Hop music and it is just fake..he was on Degrassi ffs. Hip Hop is very cookie cutter now with the exception of Hopsin, Frank Ocean and possibly a Kendrick Lamar. Hip Hop is just in a stage like Rock music was with those horrible hair bands (Motley Crue, Cinderella, Poison etc.) It's like too much bullshit is coming in at once.
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As far as rappers being fake goes, you can't just look at their music. Music is art, like movies. You don't watch Clerks and think Jason Mewes in real life is Jay from the movie. Sometimes when rappers say tough shit on a record they do it to sell and build an artistic image. Do you really think L actually snuffed Jesus? Hell no, it's horrorcore. It's art.

It's not like Drake is all of a sudden carrying tec-9s and and flashing red bandannas. Take his music for what it is. That said, I pick my spots when it comes to his music. Very selective.



Probably his best verse ever.
no sorry, hip hop is art sure, but it's not a movie business where you play a character, remember rap was made in the first place to express what's inside

rap at one point was considered the "Realest" genre of music because it was based on experience and true feelings

i'm not saying that if a rapper isn't a hardcore gangsta that means he's wack, you could make great stuff without faking

as for the L example, well that was just a metaphor he used, but he was still in it, he was legit and real as it come

I honestly believe fake rappers are the real sell-outs, so yeah, Drake is fake, the guy went from a retard on Degrassi to frontin' like a hardcore thug.. that just doesn't cut it from me, if you're fake your heart isn't in it and you're just in for the green, not that I care but i'm not gonna be fooled (lol a blood from Canada?)

his music is garbage imo, he's trying to hard to copy Wayne's style and his lyrics are abysmal
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Pretty much anyone I hear from YMCMB all sound the same to me, imo. I've always envisioned them in a "Who Can Imitate Lil' Wayne's Style Successfully?" type scenario.
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no sorry, hip hop is art sure, but it's not a movie business where you play a character, remember rap was made in the first place to express what's inside

rap at one point was considered the "Realest" genre of music because it was based on experience and true feelings

i'm not saying that if a rapper isn't a hardcore gangsta that means he's wack, you could make great stuff without faking

as for the L example, well that was just a metaphor he used, but he was still in it, he was legit and real as it come

I honestly believe fake rappers are the real sell-outs, so yeah, Drake is fake, the guy went from a retard on Degrassi to frontin' like a hardcore thug.. that just doesn't cut it from me, if you're fake your heart isn't in it and you're just in for the green, not that I care but i'm not gonna be fooled (lol a blood from Canada?)

his music is garbage imo, he's trying to hard to copy Wayne's style and his lyrics are abysmal
But you realize L had ZERO problems with law enforcement, right? And what's your definition of real? Toting guns and committing crimes? Not exactly a smart tactic when you actually have something going for you.

And the whole Aaliyah thing is blown out of proportion. I used to hate on the guy for it too, but you have to realize the man is just obsessed with her. "Loving" her and writing her notes is fucking insane, yeah, but wanting to do a project based on Aaliyah or whatever isn't really that bad.

At the end of the day, most rappers are fake to a degree and the ones who are "real", again using the toting pistols definition, end up going nowhere and dead, get locked up, or make shit music. The "realest" rappers of all time are fake to a degree. Pac, L, and Biggie all being examples. Everyone contradicts themselves, stretches the truth, etc.
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Second ASAP single just leaked. Weak as hell.

2 Chainz? Drake? Really?

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/single...uckin-problems

This is the shit I was worried about. Weak ass mainstream beats with weakass guests verses from weak ass rappers like 2 Chainz.

My dream of this sounding anything like LiveLoveA$AP and not getting the same treatment every rap album these days gets just got destroyed with one song. Produced by this overrated fuck 40 too. Fuck this shit.

Garbage. Fucking Garbage.

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Second ASAP single just leaked. Weak as hell.

2 Chainz? Drake? Really?

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/single...uckin-problems

This is the shit I was worried about. Weak ass mainstream beats with weakass guests verses from weak ass rappers like 2 Chainz.

Fuck this shit.
It's a change from what we heard from LiveLoveA$AP, but he's evolving like every good/great artist. Rocky and Lamar both had dope verses. Drake was tolerable and 2 Chainz as a hook man is fine by me. The hook is more or less used to make the song stick in your head and make it memorable. Doesn't really involve any lyrical ability, flow, wordplay, etc.

The beat was average, nothing crazy. Probably only better than 2-3, IF that, from LiveLoveA$AP. The great thing about this though is having two of the hottest rappers in the game, with Drake arguably being the hottest, shining some light on two great, up and coming artists who deserve a lot more attention like Rocky and Lamar. Will only do great things for them. This was dropped just in time for Lamar's album.

Edit - after reading your edit...

Why would you want a new album sounding anything like an old mixtape? Just listen to LiveLoveA$AP.
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