[Makaveli]

Originally Posted by A$AP

I hate when people assume I just love all his music. I'm not even a big fan of All Eyes On Me or 7DT.

Everything before that was like the shit to me though. All of Me Against The World, Thug Life Volume 1, S4MN and it wasn't even just the music either. I looked up to the guy that did the hilarious interviews, had the crazy up beat personality, wasn't afraid of anything and wasn't afraid to speak his mind. The dude that wasn't afraid to make a song about women's rights in the most misogynistic time in Hip-Hop. The dude that made it cool to appreciate your mom and tell her you're grateful for everything and shit.

The dude that went to the Black Expo and made this speech.



The crazy, funny, energetic personality like here.



That was the Pac that I was the biggest fan of, the one that idolized as a kid. Fuck Deathrow. They fucking ruined this guy. They changed him to the point where you could have sworn they weren't the same person. That quote by Shock G just captures perfectly the difference between before and after Deathrow.

I would rep you for this if I could. You pointed out perfectly why he's still a role model for me today and it's a damn shame that a lot of people still see him as the trouble making thug that he DIDN'T want to be seen as and was trying to prove people otherwise.

In essence, that stupid fucking sexual assault charge is what ended up killing him because it sent him to prison where Suge would eventually bail him out in exchange for signing to Death Row and as it was mentioned THAT was what fed into a lot of Pac's changing thug mentality which likely got him killed.

Whoever that dumb broad is that lied and got Pac caught up in all that shit is a BITCH. Pac was a tortured soul and while we all miss him at least he's at peace. That man had been shot, wrongfully sent to prison, harassed, misrepresented and portrayed in the media, paranoid, lied to, had people gassing him up, etc. I couldn't imagine what he had been going through. I'd go crazy too.

[deadman18]

Originally Posted by Notorious

In my opinion:
1. Graduation
2. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
3. The College Dropout
4. Late Registration
5. 808's & Heartbreak

MBDTF was really dope though, its hard for me to rank the albums because they're all good.

[Combat Analyst]

Originally Posted by LBGetBack

A couple things I gotta disagree with.....2Pac was down with the Outlawz before Death Row. They were known as Dramacydal orginally, and were on Me Against the World, and had worked with Pac as far back as 93.

Also, I don't think the "snapbacks to bandanas" thing was significant. That was just fashion changes. Nobody called them snapbacks then, they were just the standard, regular hat. Once fitteds became more common, snapbacks were old and cheap and nobody wore them anymore by the mid-late 90's.

Crazy to me how they are popular now, they're just a shitty hat and better quality hats exist and kids WANT the shitty ones. LOL.

The snapbacks to bandannas thing was significant. Snapbacks is what every average black person at the time and still today wear, wheareas bandannas are meant to say that you're gangster, at the time. 2Pac, going from snapbacks to bandannas showed he was truly trying to portray himself as more of a gun toting thug.

Sure he was down with the Outlawz, but it got to the point, there type of gangsta rap was rubbing off on him.

Originally Posted by Makaveli

I would rep you for this if I could. You pointed out perfectly why he's still a role model for me today and it's a damn shame that a lot of people still see him as the trouble making thug that he DIDN'T want to be seen as and was trying to prove people otherwise.

In essence, that stupid fucking sexual assault charge is what ended up killing him because it sent him to prison where Suge would eventually bail him out in exchange for signing to Death Row and as it was mentioned THAT was what fed into a lot of Pac's changing thug mentality which likely got him killed.

Whoever that dumb broad is that lied and got Pac caught up in all that shit is a BITCH. Pac was a tortured soul and while we all miss him at least he's at peace. That man had been shot, wrongfully sent to prison, harassed, misrepresented and portrayed in the media, paranoid, lied to, had people gassing him up, etc. I couldn't imagine what he had been going through. I'd go crazy too.

Honestly think to this day the Crips killed 2Pac, With him jumping a Crip, and already reppin MOB Pirus, just gave them reason to kill him. It's just society, like to portray celebrities as almighty gods so that when they killed it's automatically some big conspiracy theory behind it, like Illuminati. Like Pac didn't even believe in Illuminati. Killuminati the album was meant to kill the hype machine about them.

Agreed, at least he was at peace. Can't stress how many times you listen to songs after the shooting and wonder if he himself just wants to die.

[Choke2Death]

Death Row and the New York shooting did ruin 2Pac but all his albums when he was alive are classics. All Eyez on Me might be a step down from Me Against the World in terms of content and lyrics but the beats are just awesome. Pure west coast music even if Pac was a bit 'above' it seeing how intelligent he was.

And Pac had not completely lost his mind in Death Row yet. He was working shit out to finish his contract and get out of the hell the east/west shit created. He was working on what, 3 albums? But he ended up getting killed before he had a chance. That also makes me think Suge was involved. How come none of the shots hit him and I heard he would owe Pac shitloads of money if he were to leave. Basically, Pac sold his soul to the devil and wanted it back after realizing his mistake.

[Ether]

I might be the only person on the planet that liked Loyal To The Game..

[LBGetBack]

Originally Posted by Combat Analyst

The snapbacks to bandannas thing was significant. Snapbacks is what every average black person at the time and still today wear, wheareas bandannas are meant to say that you're gangster, at the time. 2Pac, going from snapbacks to bandannas showed he was truly trying to portray himself as more of a gun toting thug.

Sure he was down with the Outlawz, but it got to the point, there type of gangsta rap was rubbing off on him.



Honestly think to this day the Crips killed 2Pac, With him jumping a Crip, and already reppin MOB Pirus, just gave them reason to kill him. It's just society, like to portray celebrities as almighty gods so that when they killed it's automatically some big conspiracy theory behind it, like Illuminati. Like Pac didn't even believe in Illuminati. Killuminati the album was meant to kill the hype machine about them.

Agreed, at least he was at peace. Can't stress how many times you listen to songs after the shooting and wonder if he himself just wants to die.

You said you're 14. You don't need to tell me what people were wearing in the 90's. I was there, LOL.

NOBODY was still wearing "snapbacks" by 96. That's not limited to Pac. We were rocking fitteds by then, which Pac wore many times too. By you're right about the red, like the red LA hat he wore in the To Live and Die in LA video.

The Outlawz followed Pac, not the other way around.

[Ever Wolf]

Originally Posted by deadman18

MBDTF was really dope though, its hard for me to rank the albums because they're all good.

Exactly, i like the way he added new elements with every album he dropped.

MBDTF was almost perfect for me, just felt grand and special.
Graduation was a celebration of how far he came and where he was at then.

The other albums are fantastic too, you can't rank them unless they were all at #1.

Good Morning is still my personal favorite track for some reason.

[Notorious]

It's hard for my to pick my favorite Kanye song...I'd say my top 10 in no particular order:

All Falls Down
Touch the Sky
Diamonds from Sierra Leone
Good Morning
I Wonder
Can’t Tell Me Nothing
Flashing Lights
Devil in a New Dress
Blame Game
So Appalled

Honorable Mention: Homecoming, Two Words

[Choke2Death]

I would listen to Kanye more often if he was not such a horrible rapper. He's AWFUL. His excessive use of profanity is almost as forced as Drake, his voice is stab-worthy and his lyrics suck.

[Combat Analyst]

Originally Posted by LBGetBack

You said you're 14. You don't need to tell me what people were wearing in the 90's. I was there, LOL.

NOBODY was still wearing "snapbacks" by 96. That's not limited to Pac. We were rocking fitteds by then, which Pac wore many times too. By you're right about the red, like the red LA hat he wore in the To Live and Die in LA video.

The Outlawz followed Pac, not the other way around.

Still, that doesn't change he went from snapbacks to specifically bandannas. And they still influenced a lot of his subject matter.

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Death Row and the New York shooting did ruin 2Pac but all his albums when he was alive are classics. All Eyez on Me might be a step down from Me Against the World in terms of content and lyrics but the beats are just awesome. Pure west coast music even if Pac was a bit 'above' it seeing how intelligent he was.

And Pac had not completely lost his mind in Death Row yet. He was working shit out to finish his contract and get out of the hell the east/west shit created. He was working on what, 3 albums? But he ended up getting killed before he had a chance. That also makes me think Suge was involved. How come none of the shots hit him and I heard he would owe Pac shitloads of money if he were to leave. Basically, Pac sold his soul to the devil and wanted it back after realizing his mistake.

Again this continues with my theory of being killed by Crips. Pac jumped a Crip, then gets killed soon after. Don't think the Crips would go after Suge since he's actually a true Piru unlike Pac who was just affiliated.