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Old 10-05-2012, 11:04 PM   #461 (permalink)
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I wasn't referring to his music as much as his actions. He made quite a few poor decisions after he got out of jail. Shoulda sat his ass down and chilled a little bit. Just didn't seem necessary, all that BS at Death Row. It was surreal at times.
Totally agreed. I didn't have a problem or was arguing with any of that.

Calling him a wannabe was what pissed me off. What makes him more of a wannabe than anyone else? That was what I was arguing.

On the subject of Pac's bad decisions though, I was reading one of his biographies and Shock G addressed Pac's erratic behavior towards the end of his life in the best way I've ever come across. Here's the excerpt:


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Edit: The book is Tupac Shakur: The Life and Times of An American Icon by Tayannah Lee McQuillar and Fred L. Johnson. Definitely a must read for any Pac fans.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:07 PM   #462 (permalink)
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The East-West shit was the stupidest shit in hip hop history, completely unnecessary and I can't stand it when cats glorify that dumb shit. So much hype and BS. A few cats had legit beef, the rest of it was all unnecessary. Too many people getting involved in things that had nothing to do with them and adding to the hype/drama.
exactly, it was childish feud that resulted in animosity and deep hate and caused the result of two rappers dying

I wouldn't call it the greatest hip hop feud, because in terms of tracks, most disses were just subliminal jabs and threats, nothing special really

it's just that people tend to overrate the hell out of it and make it the best beef ever because Biggie and Pac are dead
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I hate when people assume I just love all his music. I'm not even a big fan of All Eyes On Me or 7DT.

Everything before that was like the shit to me though. All of Me Against The World, Thug Life Volume 1, S4MN and it wasn't even just the music either. I looked up to the guy that did the hilarious interviews, had the crazy up beat personality, wasn't afraid of anything and wasn't afraid to speak his mind. The dude that wasn't afraid to make a song about women's rights in the most misogynistic time in Hip-Hop. The dude that made it cool to appreciate your mom and tell her you're grateful for everything and shit.

The dude that went to the Black Expo and made this speech.



The crazy, funny, energetic personality like here.



That was the Pac that I was the biggest fan of, the one that idolized as a kid. Fuck Deathrow. They fucking ruined this guy. They changed him to the point where you could have sworn they weren't the same person. That quote by Shock G just captures perfectly the difference between before and after Deathrow.
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Really? I would that's what made Eminem, Jadakiss, Nas, and Jay-Z's respective diss tracks so good. Pac came off as a loud mouth wannabe gangsta.
Pac wasn't a wannabe, Even though he repped MOB Pirus toward the end of his life, the man had street cred. He made a treaty between Bloods/Crips, was in poverty, was in the hood on both coasts, had a single parent, etc. To some people that's Gangsta.

And I agree Pac changed, I'm 14 and I just started listening to his music last year, The Pac before death row was somebody who had plans for the black community, that was all about ending the war on the streets. The Pac that went with Death Row, sold his soul to the devil figuratively, Got more fame, and recognition, but did things like saying Fuck Peace, repping the Bloods (Old 2Pac wanted gang unity), hooking up with the Outlawz, and basically claiming to be a gangster, influencing young black males that this was the right thing to do. Hell even his clothing changed. He went from wearing snapbacks, to bandannas.

Tupac was a thug from birth to the day he died, Only difference is, one was a revolutionary while the other was someone willing to jump a Crip.
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Pac wasn't a wannabe, Even though he repped MOB Pirus toward the end of his life, the man had street cred. He made a treaty between Bloods/Crips, was in poverty, was in the hood on both coasts, had a single parent, etc. To some people that's Gangsta.

And I agree Pac changed, I'm 14 and I just started listening to his music last year, The Pac before death row was somebody who had plans for the black community, that was all about ending the war on the streets. The Pac that went with Death Row, sold his soul to the devil figuratively, Got more fame, and recognition, but did things like saying Fuck Peace, repping the Bloods (Old 2Pac wanted gang unity), hooking up with the Outlawz, and basically claiming to be a gangster, influencing young black males that this was the right thing to do. Hell even his clothing changed. He went from wearing snapbacks, to bandannas.

Tupac was a thug from birth to the day he died, Only difference is, one was a revolutionary while the other was someone willing to jump a Crip.
A couple things I gotta disagree with.....2Pac was down with the Outlawz before Death Row. They were known as Dramacydal orginally, and were on Me Against the World, and had worked with Pac as far back as 93.

Also, I don't think the "snapbacks to bandanas" thing was significant. That was just fashion changes. Nobody called them snapbacks then, they were just the standard, regular hat. Once fitteds became more common, snapbacks were old and cheap and nobody wore them anymore by the mid-late 90's.

Crazy to me how they are popular now, they're just a shitty hat and better quality hats exist and kids WANT the shitty ones. LOL.
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I hate when people assume I just love all his music. I'm not even a big fan of All Eyes On Me or 7DT.
How could you not be a fan of 7DT? That was his best album next to Me Against the World. I agree that the content was a complete 180 from his early albums but the lyrics were better.
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How could you not be a fan of 7DT? That was his best album next to Me Against the World. I agree that the content was a complete 180 from his early albums but the lyrics were better.
I can listen to Me Against The World or Thug Life Vol. 1 in any mood really. I need to be in a certain mood to listen to 7 Day Theory on the other hand. The album is crazy, after you're done listening it feels like you just watched a movie or something. It's a trip through Pac's mindset at the time but it's dark as hell.

This is my favorite Pac song and this is how you listen to it (Minus the drunk driving part) lol.

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R.I.P to both Tupac and Biggie. It was all a terrible tragedy and mess. Death Row did kinda fuck Tupac up but some good material came from his tenure there with tracks like Hail Mary, California Love, Heartz of Men, Ain't Mad At Cha, 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted etc.

The best diss track is "No Vaseline" by Ice Cube, hands down. He owned the whole NWA crew in like what? 5 minutes? Cube seemed to be on his game back then, his old material is pretty amazing.
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So I've recently been listening to my Kanye albums, and I have 808s & Heartbreak. At first I hated it but it grew on me and it's one of Kanye's best albums in my opinion with College Dropout being the best. So what do you guys think is the best album from Kanye West?
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In my opinion:
1. Graduation
2. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
3. The College Dropout
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