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"Hit 'Em Up" was terrible. People just loved how direct it was but the best part of the song was the end were he wasn't even rapping just talking all that crap with his weed carriers rapping was crap.
Yes, direct that's what a diss track is supposed to be. That was a diss trrack that fit the moment. Again, after you just got shot, no one's going to sit there and make a diss track trying to be all lyrical.
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Yes, direct that's what a diss track is supposed to be. That was a diss trrack that fit the moment. Again, after you just got shot, no one's going to sit there and make a diss track trying to be all lyrical.
Really? I would that's what made Eminem, Jadakiss, Nas, and Jay-Z's respective diss tracks so good. Pac came off as a loud mouth wannabe gangsta.
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Really? I would that's what made Eminem, Jadakiss, Nas, and Jay-Z's respective diss tracks so good. Pac came off as a loud mouth wannabe gangsta.
Are you fucking kidding me?

Not liking his music is totally understandable but making dumbass statements like you know him are hilarious. How was he a "wannabe" in any way? What did he "want to be" that he wasn't? What claims did he make in a song that made him different from any other rapper from his generation? You're calling the dude that was practically born in jail to a black panther mom and lived the majority of his life in poverty a wannabe while not making such a statement for a guy like Biggie. Who came from a middle class family and went to private school as a kid.

What makes him different to any of those other rappers? Exactly what subject matter in his songs was different from the 20 Biggie songs about sellings drugs and being kingpin Frank White or the same subject from Raekwon?

So much ignorance.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:38 PM   #454 (permalink)
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Are you fucking kidding me? Go look up the dude's life and tell me how he's a wannabe gangster?

Not liking his music is totally understandable but don't act like you know any aspect of his life. How was he a "wannabe" in any way? What did he "want to be" that he wasn't? What claim did he say he did in a song that he didn't? You're calling the dude that was practically born in jail to black panther mom and lived the majority of his life in poverty a wannabe while not making such a statement for a guy like Biggie. Who came from a middle class family and went to private school as a kid.

What makes him different to any of those other rappers? Exactly what subject matter in his songs was different from the 20 Biggie songs about sellings drugs and being kingpin Frank White or the same subject from Raekwon?

So much ignorance.
Well, I'm pretty sure Pac never got arrested until he was in his 20's and on TV and known, so there's that.

I don't know why you're equating growing up in poverty with being a gangsta. I'm quite sure Pac came from poverty, had a lot of tough times, etc.....what's that gotta do with being a gangsta? He WASN'T in no fucking gangs. He was a smart dude with heart and passion going to performance arts school and shit. Not a gangsta.....and that's a good thing. He shoulda stayed that route.

I don't applaud his bullshit he was pulling at Death Row, and messing with Suge, and messing with Haitain jack and all that shit. He didn't have any business messing with all them in the first place. That's why he's dead, and he was quite ignorant many times in that portion of his life and it was a mistake going that route. Many who knew Pac before his crazy period have expressed the same thing. That's not ignorant to point that out.

Sad, because if he would've made it through that and maybe grew up, he had a lot of great qualities.
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Well, I'm pretty sure Pac never got arrested until he was in his 20's and on TV and known, so there's that.

I don't know why you're equating growing up in poverty with being a gangsta. I'm quite sure Pac came from poverty, had a lot of tough times, etc.....what's that gotta do with being a gangsta? He WASN'T in no fucking gangs. He was a smart dude with heart and passion going to performance arts school and shit. Not a gangsta.....and that's a good thing. He shoulda stayed that route.

I don't applaud his bullshit he was pulling at Death Row, and messing with Suge, and messing with Haitain jack and all that shit. He didn't have any business messing with all them in the first place. That's why he's dead, and he was quite ignorant many times in that portion of his life and it was a mistake going that route. Many who knew Pac before his crazy period have expressed the same thing. That's not ignorant to point that out.

Sad, because if he would've made it through that and maybe grew up, he had a lot of great qualities.
The majority of the subject matter in his songs was about being in poverty. I wasn't equating that to being a gangster, I was equating it to his claim of him being a wannabe. The other 25% of his songs were about a lavish lifestyle, being a killer or drug dealing which was also the subject matter of any other rapper in the 90's.

Watch Resurrection or Thug Angel, he was arrested and beaten for jaywalking at the age of 16, sued the Police Department and got $250k from the lawsuit when he was 21. Since the amount of times someone's arrested before they're 20 apparently makes them more hardcore, what other rapper has shot a cop? Who?

No Pac fan liked what Pac was doing when he was hot headed. Haitian Jack was supposed to not only be one of the most dangerous people in New York but a guy that got offended if you looked at him wrong. And Pac went and dissed him in a song and called him a snitch. Do I think that's badass or something? No, it was stupid. But he was only a 2 year difference from what I am now. People like to forget how young the guy was. He was still immature.
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The majority of the subject matter in his songs was about being in poverty. I wasn't equating that to being a gangster, I was equating it to his claim of him being a wannabe. The other 25% of his songs were about a lavish lifestyle, being a killer or drug dealing which was also the subject matter of any other rapper in the 90's.

Watch Resurrection or Thug Angel, he was arrested and beaten for jaywalking at the age of 16, sued the Police Department and got $250k from the lawsuit when he was 21.
I wasn't referring to his music as much as his actions. He made quite a few poor decisions after he got out of jail. Shoulda sat his ass down and chilled a little bit. Just didn't seem necessary, all that BS at Death Row. It was surreal at times.
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Hit Em Up wasn't overrated, The emotion in that song is what made it so great "Die slow, Die slow mothafucka, my 44 will make sure all y'all children don't grow." That gets realer then some of the stuff in Ether, Don't get me wrong, songs like Ether were great but Hit Em Up was an authentic, true diss track. If you just got shot and you were angry at people who you suspected did it, you're not going to sit there doing some clever lyricism to attack them.

but basically if you wanna narrow the points 2Pac had with hit em up, basically it's this :

- I fucked you wife lololol
- bunch of random threats , and a couple of "Fuck Yous"

gotta say , when it comes to the West/East feud , the disses weren't top notch, bunch of subliminal shots and death threat, the fued wasn't great when it comes to the hip hop scene, however it was big because it was so heated and personal


IMO the best diss of all time is either Real MF'n Gs or Cube's No Vaseline, i'm tending more towards Eazy's diss because it's considered rape in some countries, Eazy's fist verse and Dresta's were two bullets to Dre's credibility

even tho It's not a question that 2pac, Nas, and Cube are MUCH better rappers than Eazy
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But he was only a 2 year difference from what I am now. People like to forget how young the guy was. He was still immature.
Eh, 25 now is still damn near treated like a kid, but back then? Pretty sure Rakim and Kane were damn near considered ancient by the time they were 25. LOL.

He was young, but still a grown man. I never agreed with him being demonized by a certain segment back then moreso, and I don't agree with him being an angel and a martry and excuses made for him now.

And I liked him a lot. He was a likable dude, period even with his mistakes and BS. But he made a lot of mistakes, no question. Personally I think he let too many people put the battery in his back on that Hit Em Up shit and was out of his damn mind over something that probably didn't even happen.
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but basically if you wanna narrow the points 2Pac had with hit em up, basically it's this :

- I fucked you wife lololol
- bunch of random threats , and a couple of "Fuck Yous"

gotta say , when it comes to the West/East feud , the disses weren't top notch, bunch of subliminal shots and death threat, the fued wasn't great when it comes to the hip hop scene, however it was big because it was so heated and personal


IMO the best diss of all time is either Real MF'n Gs or Cube's No Vaseline, i'm tending more towards Eazy's diss because it's considered rape in some countries, Eazy's fist verse and Dresta's were two bullets to Dre's credibility

even tho It's not a question that 2pac, Nas, and Cube are MUCH better rappers than Eazy
The East-West shit was the stupidest shit in hip hop history, completely unnecessary and I can't stand it when cats glorify that dumb shit. So much hype and BS. A few cats had legit beef, the rest of it was all unnecessary. Too many people getting involved in things that had nothing to do with them and adding to the hype/drama.
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Are you fucking kidding me?

Not liking his music is totally understandable but making dumbass statements like you know him are hilarious. How was he a "wannabe" in any way? What did he "want to be" that he wasn't? What claims did he make in a song that made him different from any other rapper from his generation? You're calling the dude that was practically born in jail to a black panther mom and lived the majority of his life in poverty a wannabe while not making such a statement for a guy like Biggie. Who came from a middle class family and went to private school as a kid.

What makes him different to any of those other rappers? Exactly what subject matter in his songs was different from the 20 Biggie songs about sellings drugs and being kingpin Frank White or the same subject from Raekwon?

So much ignorance.
Pac was NEVER a Gangsta, but it was a common thing in Deathrow that the rappers who weren't in gangs were portrayed as gangsta rappers, Dr Dre is a prime example

before Rapping , 2Pac went to the Baltimore school of art and took jaz, ballet, and Poetry (i'm not saying that's a bad thing)

he didn't even rapping about the gangsta life until he joined Deathrow, all his lyrics were about loving his mother and all that until Suge signed him , that's when 2Pac suddenly became hardcore and started sportin' the Red threads and caps

and that's mainly because in the 90's Gangsta rap was the flavour, and people loved it, so he changed his image to that direction

so he's no gangsta, and that's not something to be shamed of, the guy was a deep, wise person , and truly one of the greatest lyricals of all time
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