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Old 10-02-2012, 03:34 PM   #371 (permalink)
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As far as rapping talent goes, G.O.O.D. Music should not be put in the same group as MMG & YMCMB.

Kanye, Big Sean, Pusha T, Cyhi da Prynce, Q-Tip, Mos Def & Common is a much better group than those other two.


Anyway, something random. But I would love to know what the definition of "real rap" is. I hate when people use that term, it's so stupid. Nothing more than a stupid term made up of rap's dumbest fanbase, the elitists.
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It's all subjective and the term varies depending on who you talk to and I think people just use it to justify their distaste in whatever artist or artists they don't like. Rap has changed a lot and will continue to so you can't justify what "real rap" is.

However, I do think the direction the genre has gone the last decade has really fucked up it's credibility because it's gotten to the point where a lot of it is really repetitive, cheap, narcissistic, phony, and soulless. Just look at the content in the music of artists like 2pac, Nas, Ice Cube, Wu-Tang Clan, KRS-One, Public Enemy, and Rakim to guys like Rick Ross, Meek Mill, Lil Wayne, Drake, etc. Rap and Hip-Hop has gone from it's own sub-culture with a message and a purpose to one big glorified pissing contest. That's what I think a lot of "elitists" and hip hop heads get pissed off about and that's probably where the term "real rap" comes from.
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There are good mainstream rappers just like there's terrible ones. It's been the same since rap was created.

There was never a time period when mainstream rap was perfect. Even in the 90's, when you had Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Wu-Tang, etc. there was still the Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, Kris Kross, Sir Mix-A-Lot, 2 Live Crew, etc.
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There are good mainstream rappers just like there's terrible ones. It's been the same since rap was created.

There was never a time period when mainstream rap was perfect. Even in the 90's, when you had Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Wu-Tang, etc. there was still the Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, Kris Kross, Sir Mix-A-Lot, 2 Live Crew, etc.
Yeah but the good isn't represented as well as the bad is today like it was in the 90s.
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Well the underground fans are to blame for the reason there being no real hip-hop. When guys like J.Cole, Wale, etc. were underground and no-names they had large fanbases, Now when they went mainstreams fans started to turn on them. No underground guy is going to go mainstream if their fans turn on them for doing it.
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There are still good rappers that are mainstream. Kanye West, Jay-Z, Wale, J. Cole, Big Sean, Kendrick Lamar, Andre 3000, Nas to name a few.

@Combat Analyst: I 100% agree. I remember when J. Cole was the "savior of hip-hop" and his popularity grows, he has a number one-album, starts performing on BET/MTV Awards and now J. Cole "isn't the same." Wiz was loved at one point, but now he's a sellout. There was a time when 50 Cent was the next big underground rapper to blow and had a large following. It's a cycle, as soon as one comes, another goes. Next up is Kendrick Lamar.
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There are still good rappers that are mainstream. Kanye West, Jay-Z, Wale, J. Cole, Big Sean, Kendrick Lamar, Andre 3000, Nas to name a few.

@Combat Analyst: I 100% agree. I remember when J. Cole was the "savior of hip-hop" and his popularity grows, he has a number one-album, starts performing on BET/MTV Awards and now J. Cole "isn't the same." Wiz was loved at one point, but now he's a sellout. There was a time when 50 Cent was the next big underground rapper to blow and had a large following. It's a cycle, as soon as one comes, another goes. Next up is Kendrick Lamar.
Those are hipsters. They don't even like music. They just like being whiny little elitist douchebag fucks and I hate every single one of them. And yes, Kendrick will be the next one, but from what I've heard Good Kid, m.A.A.d City is gonna be a dope album. Don't wanna say classic, but Kendrick has that kind of potential.

So far, I've seen him dubbed the "second coming of Nas" and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Lets see how far that goes.
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I hope so. Him, K.R.I.T. & Cole are my "Big 3" of the new generation rappers, want all three of them to succeed.

I was disappointed by both Cole & K.R.I.T.'s debut albums, felt they were a step down from their mixtapes but I hope Kendrick doesn't follow in their footsteps.
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I hope so. Him, K.R.I.T. & Cole are my "Big 3" of the new generation rappers, want all three of them to succeed.

I was disappointed by both Cole & K.R.I.T.'s debut albums, felt they were a step down from their mixtapes but I hope Kendrick doesn't follow in their footsteps.
I didn't give Cole a chance UNTIL Sideline Story and I've kinda put him on the back burner in my mind at the current moment.

ReturnOf4Eva was 10x the album Live From The Underground was though I should give it another listen. That mixtape proves Krit has "it". He just needs to find that Krit again, but I'm completely sold on him and have been for a while.

Lamar feels special though. He seems like he has it all together and has the smarts and intellect to not go and fuck it up or lose his touch. They're all young so we'll have to just wait and see, but those three along with A$AP Rocky have me hopeful for the future. Imagine them having the same hold on the rap game as say Drake, Wayne, and Ross.
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Have you heard Friday Night Lights by J. Cole? His best work by far IMO, if you haven't, you should check it out.

As far as Returnof4Eva goes, it was a good mixtape but I prefer K.R.I.T. Wuz Here (His best IMO) and 4EvaNADay over it.
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