[Ether]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

50 is a hypocrite but he truly killed Ja's career along with his posse during that beef. Ja became irrelevant after being on top for several years and what's up with him nowadays? He was supposed to come out with an album but it got canceled or something. And 50 himself is also pretty irrelevant at this point, musically at least.

It was more like Shady Records and G-Unit, then throw in Busta and DMX for good measure. Pain is Love 2 came out but it only sold like 4k week one, and now he's in jail.

[LBGetBack]

Busta and DMX's Ja Rule disses were irrelevant though.

X had beef with Ja well before all that.....he didn't end Ja. He was dissing Ja in like 99, before Ja even fully blew up.

Nobody even remembers Busta going at him. That didn't matter. Busta was on his sing songy pop song bullshit at that time anyway, he wasn't the "hungry underdog" that people wanted to side with like 50 was at the time.

50 ended Ja. Period. Eminem helped, but that was more like piling on. 50 was the driving force who did all the leg work.

[Ether]

That's far, but Ja was still hanging on until that New York music video disaster and then Shady Records capitalized on it

[PunkSE316]

Originally Posted by LBGetBack

Umm, the point was that Pac and Eminem were NOTHING alike. SO I don't know why you gave me the "So? Eminem was still great". Like, what? That wasn't even what we were talking about. But I'll be glad to participate.

First, the Black Korea thing.....yeah, Cube rapped about social ills. So did Pac. Eminem didn't. Point?

Pac flaunted dirty laundry about people.....not profiting off his own mom's(and wife and daughter's) problems/issues.

Greatest free flowers? WTF does that mean? Freestylers? Flowing/riding a beat. You're making up terms that don't make any sense, so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

2Pac was NOT the best storyteller, he didn't even tell that many stories.

And finally the biggest fallacy that needs to be addressed....."Eminem would rip Pac to shreds when it comes to rapping".....NOPE!

Problem is, you and some others get caught up in that punchline/wordplay shit that Pac didn't even participate in, and act like that's the only aspect of rapping that matters. Like "OMG he said hotter than a set of twin babies in a mercedes with the windows up, OMGGGGG!!!" That shit is ONE aspect of rapping.

Pac wrote Brenda's Got a Baby. Pac wrote Keep Ya Head Up. Pac wrote Krazy. Pac wrote Dear Mama. Pac wrote Life Goes On. Poetic, coherent SONGS that Eminem wouldn't/couldn't/didn't make. So before you get all caught up in the wordplay shit, realize there's many other aspects to rapping where Pac shined and Eminem didn't.

And for my money, Eminem was not a great artist. He didn't make great songs or great albums. He rapped over mostly bad beats, his content was trashy Jerry Springer show shit, his voice sucks. Was he talented? Sure. His wordplay was fanatastic, at one time. So if that's really important to you, I can see him being a favorite. He sucked at many of the things that I value, though.

You are getting very confused...I never said they were similar, quit putting words in my mouth. I said Eminem filled some what of a void left by 2pac's death in terms of just purely speaking your mind...I mean seriously was LL speaking his mind in the late 90's? Was Snoop speaking his mind in the late 90's? Cube had even stopped. You've taken one little point I've brought up and purely overreacted. It's clear as day that you have something against Eminem...come on man, we all know Eminem would destroy 2pac in a Rap Battle. 2pac was a great storyteller and poet, please don't try twist this around in to me being an Eminem fan boy, because it's nothing like that. Shiiiiiiit, I've had 2pac's albums on repeat for the last 5 to 6 months and I even go on Youtube to look for rare footage etc.

2pac did write those songs but Eminem also wrote songs like White America, Mosh, the Way I am. Sure, they are different but that is as close as you are going to get to any political type message in Mainstream Hip Hop unless Hopsin explodes on to the scene and gets rid of Lil Wayne and his cronies.

Rakim, Jay Z, Redman, Scarface etc. have all said Eminem is the greatest MC of all time. I mean, they're opinion must count for something, right? In no way shape or form am I thinking "Oh, those guys think he is the best rapper so now I like him!" I ain't a sheep, thats for sure but if those guys are saying he is the greatest MC than yeah....those guys know their shit.

Yeah, whatever happened to Ja Rule? I remember that "Livin it Up" song was so massive back in the day and than he just faded away...so weird man.

He got owned by 50 Cent and his crew. 50 Cent is eh anyway, he only has like 3 or 4 good songs. Ja Rule came off as a bit of a douchebag.

[Adnon Atlis]

Ja destroyed eminem with that one line "yo ma izza crackhead n Kim izza known slut so what u think hailey gon b when she grows up"

[Notorious]

Hopsin is so fucking corny to me.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Notorious

Hopsin is so fucking corny to me.

[Notorious]

He just comes off as a poor man's Tyler, the Creator too.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Notorious

He just comes off as a poor man's Tyler, the Creator too.

Both of them are garbage anyway

One is an attention whore who tries to keep himself relevant by name dropping
The other has the hurr durr im a rebel society sux hail satan image and isn't even the best person in his own group

Both of their fanbases are equally awful. One is "this is real rap, Hopsin is saving hip hop. Fuck Lil Wayne" and the other is "GOLF WANG OFWGTA GOLF WANG GOLF WANG IM A HIPSTER GOLFWANG"

[Notorious]

I really don't get the Hopsin hype. At least the Odd Future is hype somewhat dying down, somewhat. I really don't listen to anyone in their group other than Frank Ocean & Earl Sweatshirt. MellowHype has a couple nice tracks but could never listen to a mixtape/album from them from beginning to end.