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Old 09-29-2012, 06:52 AM   #281 (permalink)
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Just listened to It Was Written for the first time. Not understanding why it gets dogged when Nas' discography is discussed. I know this, I Am... and Nastradamus get skipped over a lot. Getting on those other two soon, but IIW was not a bad album. Apparently it was criticized because they accused Nas of going for a mainstream audience. I see that with some of the earlier tracks, but not too much overall. A better example of this would be Lasers, but that wasn't really Lupe's fault. IIW was a good album. The Message was hands down the best track.

Overall...I'd give it about a 7.5.

Yeah, it got criticized because of the change in sound to glossier beats......from Pete Rock and Large Professor to Trackmasters.

Also, the change in content, from the more down to earth Illmatic to all that mafioso don Escobar shit.

However, Nas' rapping performance can never be criticized on that album. He was so sharp lyrically and flow-wise. Just in a zone, that's some of the most skilled rapping ever. The Message is a great song. Top 3 off IWW: The Message, Take It In Blood, and Watch Dem .....s. That album's a 9/10 at least, to me.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:04 PM   #282 (permalink)
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Agree. Gangsta's Paradise is still known(and that shit was like the biggest song ever damn near, back then, literally came on the radio every single hour for awhile), but, and I'm being DEAD ASS serious here......i've heard some younger people think 2Pac made Gangsta's Paradise. Which is both hilarious and sad to me. And real talk, Coolio was more popular than 2Pac on the "pop culture tip" in 94-95 and it was like a tie in 96 until late in the year when Pac died. And I agree, Coolio was not a bad rapper at all. He wasn't amazing, but he was servicable, had a solid flow, voice, and delivery, and made songs that while they didn't appeal to MC Nerd/wannabe Tough Guy Underground Supreme, were both authentic enough and funny/catchy enough to appeal to a mass audience.

I recognize that to those who weren't there, that sounds crazy now, but as someone who rap music was the most important thing in the world(along with basketball) to me at the time, it's absolutely true. And just on some stream of conciousness, the two are connected in a few ways if you remember.....2Pac's rapper "cousin" that he kept referencing and listening to in the movie Poetic Justice was actually Coolio rapping on those songs right before he blew up in real life. And then Coolio was the star of 2Pac's "Temptations" video that was really big when Pac was locked up and couldn't film the video obviously.

And like you said, Gangsta's Paradise is the Coolio song that lasted, but it was far from his only major hit. Fantastic Voyage was huge back then too, that was one of the biggest rap songs of that mid 90's era. County Lines and I remember were hits in the hip hop community. And he had a lot of other hits too. Not just hip hop, BET Rap City, Hot 97 hits, but pop hits that everybody across the country knew and that got play on radio stations right in between Boyz II Men, Alanis Morrisette, TLC, and later Puff Daddy and the biggest acts in the country at the time. Shit like 1,2,3,4, Too Hot, All The Way Live, and C U When U Get There definitely got that pop radio play when radio play really mattered, plus songs like that Space Jam Hit Em High song someone posted above where Coolio's verse was absolutely the verse that everyone knew back then. Even album cuts like "Ugly Bitches" (though never released as a single), that was really popular back then. As a kid I and many others thought it was hilarious and true(kids mentality).

I liked him, but he was far from my favorite as I had a heavy NY bias(and that was big back then too), but Coolio was huge back then. Sometimes I (morbidly) wonder if someone like Coolio(or LL or Snoop or Dre...the major stars then) got shot instead of Pac or BIG, would he be immortalized like them dudes with all the extra bullshit?
Damn, I've never met anybody who thinks "Gangsta's Paradise" is Pac's song but pretty much everyone I've talked to recognizes the song itself and I still hear it on the radio every now and then. And "C U When U Get There" gets plenty airplay once in a while around here too, which is sort of a shock, but not as much as hearing Del's "Mistadobalina" on the radio at one point. As I live in Sweden, this was a huge shock to me and "Mistadobalina" is one of the great songs that I've discovered from radio play next to "O.P.P". (it was in 07 and I had heard the names Del & NBN but never a song, so that was a pleasant surprise)

And Coolio would've definitely not been a complete afterthought today had he been shot and killed. Even Big L is getting big around teens nowadays, at least where I'm from.
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Just listened to It Was Written for the first time. Not understanding why it gets dogged when Nas' discography is discussed. I know this, I Am... and Nastradamus get skipped over a lot. Getting on those other two soon, but IIW was not a bad album. Apparently it was criticized because they accused Nas of going for a mainstream audience. I see that with some of the earlier tracks, but not too much overall. A better example of this would be Lasers, but that wasn't really Lupe's fault. IIW was a good album. The Message was hands down the best track.

Overall...I'd give it about a 7.5.
IWW is usually consensus Nas's 2nd or 3rd best album, doesn't get dogged at all. Only thing in his discography that's a skip to me is I am/Nastradamus/Street's Disciple/Untitled

Is DJ Dramas album worth checking for?
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I didn't think Untitled was that bad.

I still bang N.I.G.G.E.R. (The Slave & the Master) and Testify to this day. Two of my favorite Nas tracks ever.
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I didn't think Untitled was that bad.

I still bang N.I.G.G.E.R. (The Slave & the Master) and Testify to this day. Two of my favorite Nas tracks ever.
It wasn't, but I'm not giving that album another spin any time soon. Better than the other 3 though
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What are you guys top 10 Nas songs?

Here's mine:
The World is Yours (My favorite rap song of all-time)
One Mic
Made You Look
Life's a Bitch
Memory Lane
Poppa was a Playa
N.I.G.G.E.R (The Slave & the Master)
N.Y. State of Mind
The Message
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Not in order

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One Mic
The World is Yours
Poppa Was a Player
The Message
NY State of Mind
Made You Look
Life's a Bitch
Still Dreaming
World's An Addiction/ I Gave you Power
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Picking 10 Nas songs is real tough, but I'll try. List could be different on another day, but right now I'll go.....

1. Memory Lane
2. Nas Is Like
3. The World Is Yours
4. 2nd Childhood
5. Made You Look
6. The Message
7. Take It In Blood
8. Poppa was a Playa
9. Bye Baby
10. Project Windows
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IWW is usually consensus Nas's 2nd or 3rd best album, doesn't get dogged at all. Only thing in his discography that's a skip to me is I am/Nastradamus/Street's Disciple/Untitled

Is DJ Dramas album worth checking for?
There was definitely a segment of hip hop fans that thought IWW was a disappointment, back when it came out. That was far from the general consensus, but there was definitely a segment that thought that. That album's status has definitely become more favorable over time.

Just look at Jay-Z's Takeover diss.....calling it "eh". He was wrong, but he wasn't the only one who thought that.

I Am and Street's Disciple are at least half dope to me. I Am had a few bad songs, and a few where the lyrics were there but the beats weren't. SD was just too long, classic double album problem. Put 20+ songs on an album, and there's bound to be some weak songs.

Untitled was really good to me.

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Top 10 Nas songs:

Memory Lane
The Message
The World is Yours
NY State of Mind
It Ain't Hard to Tell
Nas is Like
Made You Look
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One Mic
Life's a Bitch

In no specific order except #1. I absolutely love "Memory Lane". Been listening to it like crazy in the past week on my iPod.
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