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Old 01-18-2013, 12:21 PM   #2641 (permalink)
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So earlier today, I had a debate with a friend about who was the better MC between Eminem and Raekwon. Thoughts?

Personally, while I do prefer Raekwon, I really can't think of any possible way he's better than Em. tbh, imo, Rae gets crushed in every category.

Lyricism: Eminem. Raekwon is a good lyricist, but he can be bland sometimes.
Flow: Eminem. See above, regarding Raekwon.
Versatility: Eminem. Rae has refused to do anything but coke rap for 20 years.
Creativity: See above.
Discography: Eminem. All Raekwon has is OB4CL, while Em has SSLP, MMLP and TES.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:07 PM   #2642 (permalink)
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:04 PM   #2643 (permalink)
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So earlier today, I had a debate with a friend about who was the better MC between Eminem and Raekwon. Thoughts?

Personally, while I do prefer Raekwon, I really can't think of any possible way he's better than Em. tbh, imo, Rae gets crushed in every category.

Lyricism: Eminem. Raekwon is a good lyricist, but he can be bland sometimes.
Flow: Eminem. See above, regarding Raekwon.
Versatility: Eminem. Rae has refused to do anything but coke rap for 20 years.
Creativity: See above.
Discography: Eminem. All Raekwon has is OB4CL, while Em has SSLP, MMLP and TES.
100% agree, but OB4CL2 is a great album too. Not on the level as the other 4 you mentioned, but I have it as top 5 in the last 5 years
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Many didn't think Kendrick would sell in today's generation of fans.

What hits have Dre been on? What has he done solo wise that makes him relevant?
You do realize that Dre has released a solo album before right?

How exactly is Dre irrelevant? What makes you think he wouldn't sell? Because he doesn't release an album or mixtape every year?
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So earlier today, I had a debate with a friend about who was the better MC between Eminem and Raekwon. Thoughts?

Personally, while I do prefer Raekwon, I really can't think of any possible way he's better than Em. tbh, imo, Rae gets crushed in every category.

Lyricism: Eminem. Raekwon is a good lyricist, but he can be bland sometimes.
Flow: Eminem. See above, regarding Raekwon.
Versatility: Eminem. Rae has refused to do anything but coke rap for 20 years.
Creativity: See above.
Discography: Eminem. All Raekwon has is OB4CL, while Em has SSLP, MMLP and TES.
Eminem is more skilled, Raekwon has made better rap music. Rae's last 2 solos are better than most of Em's catalogue, not too mention all the Wu group albums he was a part of.
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Only reason Big Boi sold so low is because he just released an album without little to no promotion at all.

He's just one of those people that's rich as fuck & just releases an album just because, with that said I thought VLADR was pretty good.

Still waiting on OutKast to do another album too.
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I never listened to Sir Lucious Left Foot or his most recent album. Only song I've heard which is a dope ass song IMO.

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Both Big Boi albums are really good-great. I never really liked VLADR when I first played it through, but I've been bumping it the last couple days and it's grown on me huge. Thought the second half of the album was a pretty big step down from the first half, but now I'm not so sure. I still like the first half with stuff like 'Objectum Sexuality', 'CPU' and 'Thom Pettie' more than the second half, but when you play it through a few times and actually pay attention to it, it's a really fucking good album. Couple of the songs sound like they could've come from Sir Lucious Left Foot (funky as fuck, rattles the shit out of your trunk, etc.), but VLADR is more "experimenty." Like, he brings in indie pop duos for guest spots (Phantogram), but every song they're featured on works. Some of it felt kind of weird to me initially, but I got used to it pretty quick.
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Lyricism: Eminem. Raekwon is a good lyricist, but he can be bland sometimes.
Flow: Eminem. See above, regarding Raekwon.
Versatility: Eminem. Rae has refused to do anything but coke rap for 20 years.
Creativity: See above.
Discography: Eminem. All Raekwon has is OB4CL, while Em has SSLP, MMLP and TES.
Lyricism: Tossup. Both are hardcore lyricists. One is a street commando with wordplay out the ass, the other is a crazy ass kid from the trailer parks..or is it the burbs across the street from the trailer parks? Either way, both 'in their prime' were hardcore and pretty much everything about them is legit. Both have had their stumbles, but even on 'bad' tracks, these two usually have shining verses.

Flow: Tossup. Rae's VOICE is too sick, while Em has the tongue-twisting 'fast' flow at times while Rae only seemingly has one flow. Both hypnotic flows, and while I could lean Em I'm going toss up because Rae has one of the all time best rap deliveries and voices.

Versatility. Not even close. Em by far. The guy's got a persona. Plus he's done everything, been on tracks with everyone. Rae did a track with Bieber, but it still seemed like Rae being Rae. Eminem can step out of his comfort zone. While a lot of all that shit isn't that good.. I still give the nod to Em because of it.

Creativity: Tossup. Em is creative as fuck, but his best days were basically drug raps too. Drug addict raps. That and beating up his mom killing Kim and what not. I think both create vivid pictures. For that I can't lean one side or the other.

Discography: So we're going to just forget about Wu Tang Forever? And 36 Chambers? You've also gotta put Ghost's Ironman in there, because it's basically a team effort there. I think Raekwon's body of work is legendary. Eminem has great albums, and a lot of them from his "slim Shady" days that all follow that theme, but it gets played out. There are a lot of skippable joints on Eminem's classics. Rae by far honestly. And it's not fair.

Now Ghostface vs Eminem would be a sick debate. Those two could probably do one crazy album.
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Lyricism: Tossup. Both are hardcore lyricists. One is a street commando with wordplay out the ass, the other is a crazy ass kid from the trailer parks..or is it the burbs across the street from the trailer parks? Either way, both 'in their prime' were hardcore and pretty much everything about them is legit. Both have had their stumbles, but even on 'bad' tracks, these two usually have shining verses.

Flow: Tossup. Rae's VOICE is too sick, while Em has the tongue-twisting 'fast' flow at times while Rae only seemingly has one flow. Both hypnotic flows, and while I could lean Em I'm going toss up because Rae has one of the all time best rap deliveries and voices.

Versatility. Not even close. Em by far. The guy's got a persona. Plus he's done everything, been on tracks with everyone. Rae did a track with Bieber, but it still seemed like Rae being Rae. Eminem can step out of his comfort zone. While a lot of all that shit isn't that good.. I still give the nod to Em because of it.

Creativity: Tossup. Em is creative as fuck, but his best days were basically drug raps too. Drug addict raps. That and beating up his mom killing Kim and what not. I think both create vivid pictures. For that I can't lean one side or the other.

Discography: So we're going to just forget about Wu Tang Forever? And 36 Chambers? You've also gotta put Ghost's Ironman in there, because it's basically a team effort there. I think Raekwon's body of work is legendary. Eminem has great albums, and a lot of them from his "slim Shady" days that all follow that theme, but it gets played out. There are a lot of skippable joints on Eminem's classics. Rae by far honestly. And it's not fair.

Now Ghostface vs Eminem would be a sick debate. Those two could probably do one crazy album.
I don't think you can count Wu-Tang Forever and 36 Chambers as solely Raekwon albums, he had 8 other guys spitting with him there.
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