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post #1581 of 6402 (permalink) Old 11-14-2012, 08:43 PM
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How does screaming MOB add fuel to the fire?

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't that mean "Money over Bitches"? Why would someone want to kill someone for saying MOB?
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Oh shit, I didn't know.

I hear people say MOB meaning "Money over Bitches" and I just assumed that's what Pac was yelling.

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I don't see people like J Dilla and Guru becoming a joke, Nate? Maybe, depending on what rappers he collabed with, but I doubt it.
Possibly but he's always remembered as some real hip-hop, conscious type of dude when in reality he was the exact opposite..and the only reason he is so revered today is because he died because he sure wasn't getting any attention while he was alive, especially from big name artists..Alot of these guys weren't using his beats later in his life, and in a way he was sort of vilified due to Love Movement & Electric Circus, so if he was still around, if you take that plus his very commercial like rapping & such, he wouldn't be loved like he is now
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Oh shit, I didn't know.

I hear people say MOB meaning "Money over Bitches" and I just assumed that's what Pac was yelling.
Yeah, Pac said that in his lyrics a lot....M.O.B. Money Over Bitches. But if he said it during an altercation with a crip, it was definitely some blood shit given the Suge connection.
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Possibly but he's always remembered as some real hip-hop, conscious type of dude when in reality he was the exact opposite..and the only reason he is so revered today is because he died because he sure wasn't getting any attention while he was alive, especially from big name artists..Alot of these guys weren't using his beats later in his life, and in a way he was sort of vilified due to Love Movement & Electric Circus, so if he was still around, if you take that plus his very commercial like rapping & such, he wouldn't be loved like he is now
I mean, Dilla was definitely a "real hip hop" cat, he put in lots of work in his music and was so technically dope on the beats. he knew his shit.

But yeah, his lyrics definitely weren't on some "conscious" tip, anyone who puts him in that box never listened to a Slum Village or Jay Dee record.

Busta is one who always held him down though, he consistently got beats from Dilla throughout his career.

I agree that some fans hopped on the bandwagon after he died, that's just the nature of the beast unfortunately. But Dilla definitely got love from those who know their shit when he was alive. I remember they asked Pharell who his favorite producer was on 106 and Park and he said Jay Dee, and they were like "oh word, Jermaine Dupri" And Pharell was like naw, Jay Dee from Slum Village. LOL.

And ?uestlove from the Roots always gave him props as the best. I think the love from the artists who actually love the music is genuine.
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But why to you guys discussion, why would you want any of them back? Sometimes it's better that they left without seeing their decline and becoming a joke or less respected
Are Premier and Pete Rock jokes now? I doubt it would've happened to Dilla either then.

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Possibly but he's always remembered as some real hip-hop, conscious type of dude when in reality he was the exact opposite..
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Are Premier and Pete Rock jokes now? I doubt it would've happened to Dilla either then.
No, they're not jokes...and kudos to them, but you can argue Havoc has become one due to the Mobb Deep beef and even a sell out to some when he signed to G-Unit, Dre has become a punchline of sorts for not just Detox but rumors of having ghost producers, and I'd even argue Timbaland isn't revered like he once was...

but I do wish more living legends were as respetced and revered as some of these dead guys

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No, they're not jokes...and kudos to them, but you can argue Havoc has become one due to the Mobb Deep beef and even a sell out to some when he signed to G-Unit, Dre has become a punchline of sorts for not just Detox but rumors of having ghost producers, and I'd even argue Timbaland isn't revered like he once was...

but I do wish more living legends were as respetced and revered as some of these dead guys
Well, people are always gonna jump on the bandwagon with dead artists. It's an unfortunate truth. Although Dilla's death was still relatively recent, so he doesn't really have the same "death bandwagon" fanbase as Pac and Biggie have today.


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I'd argue Dilla's death bandwagon was/is bigger than Biggie's and Pac's and less justified...just me though
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I'd argue Dilla's death bandwagon was/is bigger than Biggie's and Pac's and less justified...just me though
Hell no on both counts, although the second point is more based in opinion. Dilla is nowhere near B.I.G. and Pac's fame. And, well, B.I.G. is in my top 10, but I've always thought 2Pac was a sub-par MC that didn't deserve anything even close to the props he gets today. On the other hand, I consider Dilla the G.O.A.T. producer.


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