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Just watched some interviews and I got to thinking...a Kendrick/Lupe song or even album would be mind-blowing. Listening to those two dudes could even cause a headache from all the knowledge being dropped.
Eh. I find Lupe to be pretentious and not as deep as everyone thinks he is. Plus the man seems like a complete fucking psychopath outside of music.


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man I gotta say, I wanted to discuss this for a while now, and this is an argument i'm willing to throw : Ice Cube from 87 to 94 is the greatest rapper ever.. my opinion of course and here's why :

everything he wrote became an instant classic, Straight Outta Compton (although Ren and Doc contributed but Cube wrote the bigger part), Eazy-Duz-It, AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, The Predator, and to some extent Lethal Injection

5 of the greatest albums in hip hop history and considered classics, hell AmeriKKKa's Most was the album that foreshadowed (and considered an inspiration) the L.A riots in 92

he also is credited for the greatest diss song in rap history (by many fans and critics) which is No Vaseline

it's a shame that people consider the GOATs Biggie and Pac, who both were legendary artists and deep with the lyrics but lets face it, a huge portion of the people calling them the GOATs weren't born or were babies during their primes and assumed they were the greatest just because they got shot

had Ice Cube died in 95 he would've been considered God in many people's eyes

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man I gotta say, I wanted to discuss this for a while now, and this is an argument i'm willing to throw : Ice Cube from 87 to 94 is the greatest rapper ever.. my opinion of course and here's why :

everything he wrote became an instant classic, Straight Outta Compton (although Ren and Doc contributed but Cube wrote the bigger part), Eazy-Duz-It, AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, The Predator, and to some extent Lethal Injection

5 of the greatest albums in hip hop history and considered classics, hell AmeriKKKa's Most was the album that foreshadowed (and considered an inspiration) the L.A riots in 92

he also is credited for the greatest diss song in rap history (by many fans and critics) which is No Vaseline

it's a shame that people consider the GOATs Biggie and Pac, who both were legendary artists and deep with the lyrics but lets face it, a huge portion of the people calling them the GOATs weren't born or were babies during their primes and assumed they were the greatest just because they got shot

had Ice Cube died in 95 he would've been considered God in many people's eyes
I disagree. You can't really count Eazy-Duz-It under his discography since it's Eazy's album. Plus he's put out some pretty weak albums (LNCL, fuckin I Am the West). He can't really be considered solely responsible for Straight Outta Compton either, since he wasn't the only one writing for it. I consider his first two classics, but the rest, nah. Even if Cube did die in 95, my opinion on him wouldn't change all that much. While he's great, there are some rappers that are just... Better at everything.


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Eh. I find Lupe to be pretentious and not as deep as everyone thinks he is. Plus the man seems like a complete fucking psychopath outside of music.
Yup, to me Lupe usually comes off smart-dumb. Like he really thinks he be saying some shit, but it's usually just some half-baked bullshit that ain't really about anything. I won't knock the intentions though.
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man I gotta say, I wanted to discuss this for a while now, and this is an argument i'm willing to throw : Ice Cube from 87 to 94 is the greatest rapper ever.. my opinion of course and here's why :

everything he wrote became an instant classic, Straight Outta Compton (although Ren and Doc contributed but Cube wrote the bigger part), Eazy-Duz-It, AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, The Predator, and to some extent Lethal Injection

5 of the greatest albums in hip hop history and considered classics, hell AmeriKKKa's Most was the album that foreshadowed (and considered an inspiration) the L.A riots in 92

he also is credited for the greatest diss song in rap history (by many fans and critics) which is No Vaseline

it's a shame that people consider the GOATs Biggie and Pac, who both were legendary artists and deep with the lyrics but lets face it, a huge portion of the people calling them the GOATs weren't born or were babies during their primes and assumed they were the greatest just because they got shot

had Ice Cube died in 95 he would've been considered God in many people's eyes

Mostly agree. Cube is easily top 5, and I got him ahead of both Pac and BIG.

And it's not fair that Cube's bombs 25 years into his career are held against him, yet cats with 1-2 albums who got shot are propped up so high.

I think you're overstating his part on Eaxy's album a bit, I'm pretty sure D.O.C. wrote a lot of that too. But still. And you didn't mention Kill At Will, which was an oustanding EP and has some of his best songs, and only adds to all that you named. Early Cube can't be faded.
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man I gotta say, I wanted to discuss this for a while now, and this is an argument i'm willing to throw : Ice Cube from 87 to 94 is the greatest rapper ever.. my opinion of course and here's why :

everything he wrote became an instant classic, Straight Outta Compton (although Ren and Doc contributed but Cube wrote the bigger part), Eazy-Duz-It, AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, The Predator, and to some extent Lethal Injection

5 of the greatest albums in hip hop history and considered classics, hell AmeriKKKa's Most was the album that foreshadowed (and considered an inspiration) the L.A riots in 92

he also is credited for the greatest diss song in rap history (by many fans and critics) which is No Vaseline

it's a shame that people consider the GOATs Biggie and Pac, who both were legendary artists and deep with the lyrics but lets face it, a huge portion of the people calling them the GOATs weren't born or were babies during their primes and assumed they were the greatest just because they got shot

had Ice Cube died in 95 he would've been considered God in many people's eyes
I am very undecided when it comes to the greatest rapper ever but Ice Cube along with Scarface and Rakim are the contenders for me. I would have also had Big Daddy Kane and Kool G Rap but their number of memorable albums are rather small and don't have the heavy influence of Rakim to make up for it.
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Yup, to me Lupe usually comes off smart-dumb. Like he really thinks he be saying some shit, but it's usually just some half-baked bullshit that ain't really about anything. I won't knock the intentions though.
Yeah, Sometimes he makes up his own concepts to pass off as socially conscious. It worked with songs like B*itch Bad, which is a great song.

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