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Old 11-03-2012, 04:40 PM   #1391 (permalink)
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It is a popular choice, but I wouldn't put another album above it just because it's cliche. Anyone can be "one dimensional" depending on how you classify them. You could blanket all those "various issues" Cube touches on under "socially conscious rap" and claim that the whole album is socially conscious rap. That's why I don't base a rapper's range on one album because different albums can carry different stories.

Nas paints a perfect picture of life in Queensbridge and does it while staying technically sound, carrying a strong cadence, and a smooth flow. Illmatic is my GOAT because it's the perfect story. You could lay down, close your eyes, and let the music take over and just live through the songs. The entire album can actually lay a really chill, cold New York type atmosphere if you just listen and take it in. It's pure art.
But Death Certificate is not just "socially conscious", though. He also uses humor while addressing serious subjects and has fun in songs like "Givin' Up the Nappy Dug Out", "Steady Mobbin'" and "Doing Dumb Shit".

And about Illmatic, that's pretty much what I was saying. He just focuses on the streets and there really are no other subjects explored. And I can also find many other albums that "paint the perfect picture" of the rappers' neighborhoods. They may not be as good rapping wise, but they still get the job done to the same degree. Speaking of QB, that's pretty much also what Mobb Deep do in The Infamous. Don't get it twisted, though, I'm not knocking Illmatic at all, it's a great album and I can see why somebody would rate it highly. It's just that it's so cliché that you don't know how to differ between those who genuinely believe that and those that pick it just to go with the bandwagon.

Hell, I remember back in 2007 when I really got into hip-hop. I used to browse wikipedia and read articles about all kinds of subgenres and in almost every single one of them, the cover for Illmatic found its way there. It is the 2Pac of rap albums. Great but has led to lots of bandwagoning.

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Lethal Injection wasn't that well received when it came out, but I liked it. But that was definiely the turn.

And he wasn't really gone for 5 years because the Westside Connection album happened in between. Between that, his Bootlegs and B-Sides and Featuring Ice Cube releases, and Sountrack appearances, it's like he was never gone. I mean, Lethal Injection went into 94 with the singles, Natural Born Killaz and Friday received heavy play in 94-95 and then Westside Connection came out and was massive in 96. So it wasn't all that weird or surprising when War and Peace dropped, Cube's music had changed a long time ago.
I don't know why I skipped Bow Down but yeah, I meant to mention it too as the album where he made some sort of transition. Although that one was so east/west focused that I just decided to talk about his official solos where it's more about Ice Cube himself than "the game". I also didn't count the Bootlegs & Featuring albums since they are just compilations of unreleased songs, b-sides, remixes or songs where he made guest appearances. But you have a point, it pales in comparison to the absence he had in the last decade when he moved on to making movies and occasional guest spots. (as well as a second Westside Connection album, let's not forget that)

Lethal Injection is still not well received to this day and I've heard lots of criticism for it, but for me, it works. "You Know How We Do It" is still a dope ass cruising jam. And the rest is on some chill shit which I always appreciate.
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Old 11-03-2012, 04:41 PM   #1392 (permalink)
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They are both 2 of the best albums ever.

I agree with him that Illmatic is like the default choice for people who pretend to know shit(DC is likely too much for those herbs to handle if they've even heard it), but they don't matter anyway.......Illmatic is also the choice of many who DO know shit though.

Either is a valid choice as the greatest hip hop album. I do suspect that DC is too heavy for many who don't mention it though.
No doubt. Death Certificate has the deeper content matter and is a heavy album. It's one of those albums you have to really LISTEN to in order to get it all and I enjoy that. Maybe it's because I'm from and currently live on the East Coast (South Jersey) so Illmatic's rough, cold, gritty boom bap sound appeals to me more than Death Certificate. It's likely one of the reasons why I'm such a huge fan of Big L when a lot of people would place him in the 20s or even 30s of a top, say, 50 list. Though I prefer Pac over Biggie so that logic is 100% flawless.
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Illmatic is the GOAT album

...........but the more I listen to IWW, the more I think it has a case over Illmatic tbh
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But Death Certificate is not just "socially conscious", though. He also uses humor while addressing serious subjects and has fun in songs like "Givin' Up the Nappy Dug Out", "Steady Mobbin'" and "Doing Dumb Shit".

And about Illmatic, that's pretty much what I was saying. He just focuses on the streets and there really are no other subjects explored. And I can also find many other albums that "paint the perfect picture" of the rappers' neighborhoods. They may not be as good rapping wise, but they still get the job done to the same degree. Speaking of QB, that's pretty much also what Mobb Deep do in The Infamous. Don't get it twisted, though, I'm not knocking Illmatic at all, it's a great album and I can see why somebody would rate it highly. It's just that it's so cliché that you don't know how to differ between those who genuinely believe that and those that pick it just to go with the bandwagon.

Hell, I remember back in 2007 when I really got into hip-hop. I used to browse wikipedia and read articles about all kinds of subgenres and in almost every single one of them, the cover for Illmatic found its way there. It is the 2Pac of rap albums. Great but has led to lots of bandwagoning.
Anything popular receives a lot of bandwagoning regardless of whether or not it deserves it. All you really have to do is talk to someone for 5 minutes to decipher whether or not they actually know two shits about rap.

And yeah, both iconic albums. I need to make a top 10 album list. Actually, if Notorious doesn't feel like running another tournament, I'd be more than happy to host a GOAT Rap Album tournament.
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Go ahead, I don't plan on doing one for albums but if you want to, it's not like you need my permission.

I was considering doing one for groups, but it's pointless because Wu-Tang will just run through the whole thing.
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Go ahead, I don't plan on doing one for albums but if you want to, it's not like you need my permission.

I was considering doing one for groups, but it's pointless because Wu-Tang will just run through the whole thing.
Well you kinda started the rap tournament idea so just didn't wanna bite off you or anything. And yeah, Wu-Tang would probably run through a groups tournament. Could still be interesting to see how other match ups go.
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Meek Mill recently challenged Cassidy or Murda Mook to a $100,000 rap battle in Episode 9 of his video blog where he spoke on the battling scene in hip hop.

“I’m a leader. I don’t follow people. We have a lane to take this to another level where a whole ‘nother money circuit could open up. I’m a leader. I’m willing to take the leadership and when I take that leadership, don’t be mad when I’m the only one getting that leader money and you might be battling for a little 40 or 50 grand because I’m the one that took the chance to open the door. You gotta have a hundred thousand or better. I can’t do it for free. That ain’t my lane. Win, lose or draw, just for even stepping on the court. Just to step in.

They got a million sponsors that’d love to have Meek Mill with that banner in the back for them going in to 20,000 people because when I battle, it ain’t going to be 5,000, it’s going to be 20,000 people or better. I ain’t doing no home court advantages.

I think I’d [match up] Cassidy and Mook right now. That’d be crazy right there. I’d do Cassidy and Mook.

Cassidy ain’t been in a battle but everybody knows, Cassidy, that’s what he do.”

After getting wind of Meek‘s offer, Cassidy accepted Meek Mill‘s challenge live on the radio.

A few months back we reported about the possibility of a Meek Mill and Cassidy beef after the two exchanged harsh words toward one another on Twitter.

Would you like to see a Cassidy Vs. Meek Mill rap battle? I sure would.

Listen to what Cassidy had to say after the break.
http://rapdose.com/2012/11/03/cassid...fer-for-100000

Meek's gonna get destroyed

Edit: He pussied out on twitter, what a lame

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Listening to Eightball and MJG's On Top of the World... one of my favorite albums.
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LOL at Meek Mill challenging Cassidy to a rap battle

I actually like Meek Mill, but Cassidy is the last guy he should be challenging...
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Always saw him as more of a gangster rapper but after watching the Art of Rap, you might be right.
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted and The Predator are enough proof that Ice Cube is a socially conscious rapper, hell AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted was labeled influential for the LA riots in 1992

the difference is, Ice Cube is raw with the lyrics, he isn't one of those poetic rappers like Nas or Pac, ICe Cube is hard as fuck with the lyrics, that's why he was the dopest lyricist in the late 80's - mid 90's
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