New Fabolous single, not sure if this has been posted
ehhhhhhhhhh was my first thoughts. Fab is the king of getting on Southern artists features to stay relevant, and him dissing Wayne is odd because they've collabbed plenty of times. Fabolous's albums have always been decent at best, so I'm not expecting anything different from the next one. This song is better than anything on TINC3 though, that was an awful tape.
I would for debut albums, these are the only debut albums I think are better than F&L
Illmatic
Reasonable Doubt
36 Chambers
The Chronic
Black on Both Sides
It's Dark and Hell is Hot
Capital Punishment
The Documentary
Organix
Mos Def and Talib Kweli Are Black Star
Trill
Paid in Full
Straight Outta Compton
Iron Man
Ready to Die (think this aged bad though)
College Dropout
The Coming
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Probably missed 1 or 2. Then you have albums like Tical, Doggystyle, Harlem World, and No Way out which I didn't like but I'm in the minority on that. I'm not saying F&L should (or is) considered a universal classic, but it's a personal classic to me.
i'd add Doggfood to that list , such an underrated album
it was one of those albums that every song could be a single hit
I wasn't a big fan of Tha Dogg Pound, I hate Daz, but that record was legendary .. Kurrupt killed it
AmeriKKKa's Most too , that was a game changer
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I would for debut albums, these are the only debut albums I think are better than F&L
Illmatic
Reasonable Doubt
36 Chambers
The Chronic
Black on Both Sides
It's Dark and Hell is Hot
Capital Punishment
The Documentary
Organix
Mos Def and Talib Kweli Are Black Star
Trill
Paid in Full
Straight Outta Compton
Iron Man
Ready to Die (think this aged bad though)
College Dropout
The Coming
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Probably missed 1 or 2. Then you have albums like Tical, Doggystyle, Harlem World, and No Way out which I didn't like but I'm in the minority on that. I'm not saying F&L should (or is) considered a universal classic, but it's a personal classic to me.
You named a lot of the mid-late 90's and beyond albums that were better, though there are more IMO. And I'll even disagree with Organix, I'm a huge Roots fan but Organix is not all that good to me. Of course, hardly anybody knew about that album back then and "Do You Want More??!!" felt like their debut because that's when most people first heard of them.
Anyway, there's a gang of debut albums released in the 80s and early 90s that were obviously better too.
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calling Food and Liquor a classic is a disgrace to the word.
Agree with that.
The word 'classic' is so misused and tossed around like a joke nowadays. I've heard people call Get Rich or Die Tryin' a classic, lol. And also T.I. albums. Can't be serious.
And there are so many debuts better than F&L, I don't know where to start. Just from the 80s I can name plenty.
Long Live the Kane, Road to the Riches, Yo! Bum Rush the Show, Strictly Business, Run DMC, No One Can Do It Better, The Great Adventures of Slick Rick, Eazy-Duz-It, Criminal Minded, 3 Feet High and Rising are some that come to mind. And same story with the 90s with albums such as Mr. Scarface is Back, The Devil Made Me Do It, One for All, Take a Look Around, Breaking Atoms, Quik is the Name, Whut? Thee Album and so on.
The word 'classic' is so misused and tossed around like a joke nowadays. I've heard people call Get Rich or Die Tryin' a classic, lol. And also T.I. albums. Can't be serious.
And there are so many debuts better than F&L, I don't know where to start. Just from the 80s I can name plenty.
Long Live the Kane, Road to the Riches, Yo! Bum Rush the Show, Strictly Business, Run DMC, No One Can Do It Better, The Great Adventures of Slick Rick, Eazy-Duz-It, Criminal Minded, 3 Feet High and Rising are some that come to mind. And same story with the 90s with albums such as Mr. Scarface is Back, The Devil Made Me Do It, One for All, Take a Look Around, Breaking Atoms, Quik is the Name, Whut? Thee Album and so on.
Yeah, I had most of those in mind when I said that he had barely named any of the 80's-early 90's debuts that were better. I'd add stuff like Black Moon - Enta Da Stage, Smif N Wessun - Da Shinin', LL Cool J - Radio, Tribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive...., Warren G - Regulate...G Funk Era, AZ - Doe or Die, Outkast - Southernplayalistic, Pete Rock and CL Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother or the EP if that's counted as their debut....both were better than F&L, Digable Planets debut, Keith Murray - The Most Beautifullest Thing in This World, OC -Word....Life, Showbiz and AG - Runaway Slave, Slum Village - Fantastic, Biz Markie - Nobody Beats the Biz, Lauryn Hill - Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, Wyclef - The Carnival, Little Brother - The Listening.
Most of those aren't even arguable, IMO. You have to remember, back then rappers didn't shoot their load by putting out a bunch of mixtapes/albums that were better than their official "debut", and they also didn't have their debuts ruined by it being leaked onto the internet, forcing the album to be reworked like Lupe did. I think a lot of debuts were better then because they had all their best rhymes/beats saved up for that first album, and they hadn't already used/wasted them on free mixtapes. You could also get away with more as far as sampling back then, so production was often better.
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Yeah, hip-hop has changed so much over the years. Wish I could live through the classic late 80s days when hip-hop was a way of life and stayed true to its roots.
And Biz's debut is called Goin' Off. Absolutely love "Vapors", such a smooth, head bobbing jam to enjoy and the rest is vintage classic rap. Another overlooked classic debut is Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs. The production is unreal and way ahead of its time.
And if you count Grip It! On That Other Level as Geto Boys' real debut since it's a different group almost entirely, then that's another to remember.
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