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Old 09-05-2013, 05:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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WWE has this awful ability of destroying something on the same night they create it and it stops them from reaching their full payoff. For example, Orton's escalade. If they had awarded him the car, had him drive it to Raw a bunch of times (even a month) and THEN had it caved in, it would be a big deal. Obviously money isn't a problem for him so he's not meant to be angry about the cost, he's (storyline) meant to be angry because he loves the car.

The only problem is, there's no emotional attachment to it after 45 fucking minutes. There's no reason why he'd be this mad.

Same with Cody. We're supposed to worry about his wife when 30 minutes earlier was the first time we heard about her? What's with all this flirting with Kaitlyn then? Establish her existence, have Sandow mention it once in a promo, THEN throw in their financial troubles and make it a big deal. Why should I care about something that I just heard about?

Lastly, Bryan and Big Show. We're "good friends"? Been "friends for two years?" (Hell, even Stephanie's logic of "I knew you since I was 12" is bullshit because mathematically it would make her 25) but mainly why should Big Show care so much about a standard one on one match?

Entrepreneur Gary Vaynerchuk says a lot of business' won't make long term investments in new strategies because in the business world, things are run quarterly. In WWE it seems to work nightly and the ratings of "oh look bryan painted a car" are more important than "Orton's a millionaire, this doesn't make any sense".

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Maybe they rush it because they don't know how long the hype will last *lol*
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Old 09-05-2013, 05:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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No disrespect OP, but I think you missed a lot of points of what's going on, on TV.

-With Orton's car being vandalized the same night it's been given to him (again), you're right, money wasn't the issue. BUT, regardless of if he had it 45 minutes or a month it's his property. You're telling me a rich guy wouldn't be upset if you're vandalized his new car? That's ridiculous. It's his. Plus, if you pull a gun out in the first act you're supposed to shoot it in the third. It's just how things work.

-Yes, Cody's PERSONAL business wasn't brought up on the show at all before. It wasn't ever important to the show. The whole point was bringing up Cody's personal business in front of the world. The other point was how quickly Triple H can fire you at the drop of a dime, with little warning.

-Big Show and Stephanie's timeline might not match up with real life, but that wasn't an issue. Big Show sold it like it was real, that's all that's important. I don't know if Paul Wight's broke, but apparently the Big Show character is. Sure, maybe 12 year old Stephanie did hilariously confuse him with Andre. Big Show didn't act like it. Big Show acted like every word she said was true and to this story that's all that matters.

You're pointing out the lack of long term booking by attacking it at the beginning of the story... I'll let you marinate on how ironic that is.
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No disrespect OP, but I think you missed a lot of points of what's going on, on TV.

-With Orton's car being vandalized the same night it's been given to him (again), you're right, money wasn't the issue. BUT, regardless of if he had it 45 minutes or a month it's his property. You're telling me a rich guy wouldn't be upset if you're vandalized his new car? That's ridiculous. It's his. Plus, if you pull a gun out in the first act you're supposed to shoot it in the third. It's just how things work.

-Yes, Cody's PERSONAL business wasn't brought up on the show at all before. It wasn't ever important to the show. The whole point was bringing up Cody's personal business in front of the world. The other point was how quickly Triple H can fire you at the drop of a dime, with little warning.

You're pointing out the lack of long term booking by attacking it at the beginning of the story... I'll let you marinate on how ironic that is.
Love the fact you understand the 1st/3rd rule, but I gotta' disagree on some of what you said.

How much does a paint job cost on a car? Enough to piss a WWE Champion off? No.

If you want a perfect example of somebody shaking off property damage like it's nothing at all, look at HHH's "nah who cares?" after Brock destroyed his office. Feuds are played out by who wins each "week", who's standing tall at the end of each Raw or Smackdown and Brock should have had that one the same way that Bryan destroying the car should have been a much bigger deal than it was, but you have to let it.

I'm not attacking long term booking by attacking the beginning because yes, the wider story will continue but "Orton's car" as a story won't. When Cody returns, nobody is going to mention his wedding, that story began and ended that night too. His career is a different matter and by all means they're playing that well but his wife isn't going to be mentioned again.

By all means I'm loving this Corporation story and for the first time in a while, it seems like everybody's playing their part really well. HHH is great, Shield, Orton, Bryan, even Cody is going to come out of this looking awesome. "That" story is fine, but for the smaller stories intertwined it's like they're going back and adding stuff to Wikipedia when it suits them. When I saw Orton's car get fucked up I didn't care, but if Ryback started feuding with Foley and ripped Mr Socko apart with his bare hands or destroyed Kane's mask with a sledgehammer, it means something because you've added credibility to those things.
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I'm still going to respectfully disagree with you on the property damage. Why wouldn't you be upset when someone you already hate wrecks your new car. I don't care how much money you have. If he wanted to buy two (and could afford to) he would've. I don't like having to re-buy things that I already own. If fucking up your new car doesn't piss you off, nothing will.

Of course I understand the rule of 1st/3rd acts. I'm a writer, lol. I'm actually impressed that you were aware of what I meant.

There is another rule of writing though, pointless exposition. That's kind of what I'm saying. Why bring up Cody's wedding if it was never relevant to the show? It was brought up when it needed to be. The audience may not've knew Cody was getting married, but I'd expect the people he's working with to be aware of it, and they were and it was brought it when it was needed. Triple H didn't just find out and he didn't bring it up like he just found out. He brought up that he knew and was bothered that he wasn't invited. In that respect, I like how it mimicked real life. The point isn't "Cody's getting married". The point is "Cody got fired days before his wedding." which I'm sure they will bring back up.
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I know 3 hours is a long time, but with a long term story and so many other things going on the show. You do have to pick your battles. I'm not sure they needed to speed weeks getting Orton's car over. Also, with Orton being a heel do you really want him getting attached to a car and then getting it destroyed. No one really would give sympathy for Orton, but I think it works better if the heel didn't have much attachment to the car, and to your point, got upset anyway.
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My thoughts are you're nitpicking. All of those are irrelevant details of a much larger overarching storyline. That's where you get your long term booking. No one cares about Orton's car, and no one cares about Cody's wife, but we're meant to be seeing what motivates them
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They started a storyline before summerslam. And it is going to end at Wrestlemania. I'd say that's pretty long term
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WWE have been careful enough to make sure John Cena and Undertaker's paths haven't crossed at all since 2009.They are obviously saving it to make Cena challenging Taker's Streak very special
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My thoughts are you're nitpicking. All of those are irrelevant details of a much larger overarching storyline. That's where you get your long term booking. No one cares about Orton's car, and no one cares about Cody's wife, but we're meant to be seeing what motivates them
I'd have to respectfully disagree. The OP is bringing up strong points here. Sure, Cody's wife and the car are essentially storytelling props, but remember that the more weight and meaning assigned to an element of the story, the more meaningful it will be when that element is manipulated or changed.

The audience has to have a chance to marinate on something in order to appreciate its significance. When Cody's wedding was brought up for the first time, and then Cody was fired in the very same episode, I found myself thinking, "Wait, Cody's getting married?" as much as "Oh shit, Cody's getting married and now he's unemployed!" You want the audience to already identify the former as a character trait before you ask them to process the gravity of the latter.
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