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Old 08-04-2013, 10:17 AM   #11 (permalink)
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No, not the old thread.

That was only 5 or so months old. The one before lasted a year.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:18 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Vs Cena at the Royal Rumble 2007
Vs Carlito vs Mr. Kennedy at Summerslam 2007
Vs Triple H in a street fight at Cyber Sunday 2007
vs Jeff Hardy on RAW in a steel cage match

And holy crap, I didn't even know Umaga and Taker worked a house show match together. MUST WATCH.
Been meaning to watch that myself for ages.

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Old 08-04-2013, 10:22 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Can anyone recommend some good umaga matches for me? If that trips match that I liked is on the bad side of his matches, id really like to see some that you guys really enjoyed. He does kind of remind me of a modern somoan version of bam bam bigelow, who is number 2 only to taker in my favorite big men list.
Umaga vs. John Cena, LMS, Rumble 07 - ****3/4 One of my favourite matches and just flat out GOAT.

Watched the SD triple threat just now and holy shit was that thing awesome. I'm almost tempted to throw 4* at it but I'll wait until I watch it again before I do that. For now it sits at a very high ***3/4 though. Some beautiful stuff in there and the exchanges between RVD and RKO were brilliant. If that gets added as a Summerslam match I'll be happy. So much TV goodness this year it's unreal.
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Even though I quite liked Youmanga I honestly can't think of a match of his I'd rate beyond ***1/4.
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So... I had an "epiphany" yesterday regarding heels, and why so few are hated nowadays. Granted, I kinda already knew this, but it was just cemented as a fact yesterday, and here's my story (hopefully an entertaining read for all of you)...

... so I was at a friend's house and there were several people there. One of them brought Mario Kart Wii and we ended up playing a cup, 4 players, with the 3 losers passing on the controllers, and then we go to another cup. I started out, and won, every single time. Not just that, but I would constantly make comments about the others' skills, declaring myself "the champ" after a couple of rounds, acting like an all around douchebag, and almost always winning (I lost a race here and there but was always in first at the end of the cups).

Anyway, before I knew it, everyone was cheering anytime I fell off, anytime I got hit by a shell, shrunken down by lightning, and sometimes people playing, if they had a star and could, would go out of the way to ram into me... and so on, so fourth. Anytime someone else won a race, everyone would cheer, even once someone got their name chanted in the room... and yeah...

I was a slimeball, piece of shit, but most importantly, the dominant player/"heel" of Mario Kart Wii last night. In relationship to the room, I was getting more heat than any heel in the WWE, and maybe even all time. Although I didn't get death threats or stuff thrown at me... so probably not the latter. But still it opened my eyes to just how important it is for a heel to be dominant. People don't hate cowards/losers, they pity them. People are only annoyed by cheaters to a degree, but it's those that are dominant and truly back up their bark, combined with being a complete douchebag that really get people to hate them at something.

And then of course the pay off... one of them did finally win a cup over me and it was a house of NY Giants fans after they win the Superbowl. I took my walk of shame, and didn't get to play again.

So yeah, if WWE would make their heels dominant and dickish, not cowardly and dickish (unless they want them in the mid-card), you'd see more heels getting Vickie-level heat on a consistent basis... well... except the rare few who just can't maintain heat (*cough*DELRIO*cough*).

And I don't mean dominant as in being able to physically push around anyone you want (although that works), but just in general being able to win, sometimes fair, sometimes cheating if they really want to protect a face. Or even sometimes just getting lucky.

It's why guys like JBL and HHH were such hated heels. Though I can't remember HHH 100%, I remember JBL never lost on TV during his WWE Title reign except maybe once or twice.
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So... I had an "epiphany" yesterday regarding heels, and why so few are hated nowadays. Granted, I kinda already knew this, but it was just cemented as a fact yesterday, and here's my story (hopefully an entertaining read for all of you)...

... so I was at a friend's house and there were several people there. One of them brought Mario Kart Wii and we ended up playing a cup, 4 players, with the 3 losers passing on the controllers, and then we go to another cup. I started out, and won, every single time. Not just that, but I would constantly make comments about the others' skills, declaring myself "the champ" after a couple of rounds, acting like an all around douchebag, and almost always winning (I lost a race here and there but was always in first at the end of the cups).

Anyway, before I knew it, everyone was cheering anytime I fell off, anytime I got hit by a shell, shrunken down by lightning, and sometimes people playing, if they had a star and could, would go out of the way to ram into me... and so on, so fourth. Anytime someone else won a race, everyone would cheer, even once someone got their name chanted in the room... and yeah...

I was a slimeball, piece of shit, but most importantly, the dominant player/"heel" of Mario Kart Wii last night. In relationship to the room, I was getting more heat than any heel in the WWE, and maybe even all time. Although I didn't get death threats or stuff thrown at me... so probably not the latter. But still it opened my eyes to just how important it is for a heel to be dominant. People don't hate cowards/losers, they pity them. People are only annoyed by cheaters to a degree, but it's those that are dominant and truly back up their bark, combined with being a complete douchebag that really get people to hate them at something.

And then of course the pay off... one of them did finally win a cup over me and it was a house of NY Giants fans after they win the Superbowl. I took my walk of shame, and didn't get to play again.

So yeah, if WWE would make their heels dominant and dickish, not cowardly and dickish (unless they want them in the mid-card), you'd see more heels getting Vickie-level heat on a consistent basis... well... except the rare few who just can't maintain heat (*cough*DELRIO*cough*).

And I don't mean dominant as in being able to physically push around anyone you want (although that works), but just in general being able to win, sometimes fair, sometimes cheating if they really want to protect a face. Or even sometimes just getting lucky.

It's why guys like JBL and HHH were such hated heels. Though I can't remember HHH 100%, I remember JBL never lost on TV during his WWE Title reign except maybe once or twice.

Man you are so right about all of that, I was thinking to myself the other day, is John Cena the only wrestler with REAL heat in the wwe? All the other heels I actually kind of enjoy, because they are good at being bad. But I've grown to just loathe the Cena character because of how bland and super heroish the wwe presents him. That's why I think a Cena heel turn would be a bad idea, he'd lose all his heat with the smart fans because then wwe would be doing what they want. By keeping Cena as a white meat baby face super hero, wwe is ensuring that at least one wrestler will have true heat. Along with cena's jorts, which I swear are an intentional psychological move by wwe to keep older fans from getting behind Cena, because who would root for a guy in jorts?
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Umaga vs. John Cena, LMS, Rumble 07 - ****3/4 One of my favourite matches and just flat out GOAT.

Watched the SD triple threat just now and holy shit was that thing awesome. I'm almost tempted to throw 4* at it but I'll wait until I watch it again before I do that. For now it sits at a very high ***3/4 though. Some beautiful stuff in there and the exchanges between RVD and RKO were brilliant. If that gets added as a Summerslam match I'll be happy. So much TV goodness this year it's unreal.
I'm gonna have to find that match thanks man.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:43 AM   #18 (permalink)
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You have to watch the final four match. So much fun.
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I'm done watching the weirdest Handicap match of all time - Mankind, Rock & Shamrock vs Brothers of Destruction. If ya haven't seen it, it has its moments but it's more for the lulz than anything.
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Umaga's work with Jeff Hardy was YES.

He got to work a really important match at Wrestlemania XXIII so at least he had that under his belt before he passed away too soon. I wasn't the biggest fan of the guy like BRYE is, I always felt like he was a really good big man that could have done wonders with a guy like The Undertaker or even Mark Henry. I really enjoyed his stuff with Triple H & Punk though, but then again I enjoy most guys when they work with Haitch & Punk.
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