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I haven't seen MiTB yet so I will have to check it out and compare with the others, but I'd have to agree that PPV's this year have sucked a whole lot of suck. Raw and Smackdown have actually been very good though, especially compared to last year which I think will go down as the worst TV year of the last 10+ years. I think MiTB might replace KoTR and become one of WWE's "A" events in the future, because so far there hasn't been a dud, and 2011 had the GOAT match of the PG era.

Does it make me a weirdo or a sick SOB that in my view the lack of blood in the no DQ,cell, cage, fca, etc matches that take place nowadays takes something away from the matches? I've been watching a ton of stuff from the ruthless aggression era lately and it just makes some of those matches seem a ton more hard hitting, dramatic, and impactful than the ones we see today. I mean hbk bleeding like a stuck pig really put his hiac match with taker over the top for me, without it I think it would take a lot away from what in my view is the greatest main event ever. Triple h bleeding all over the place while Batista bashed his skull in with a barbed wire chair is an amazing site to see, and something I guess we won't get anymore. Then again in Guerrero vs jbl judgement day the excessive blood killed the match for me and I have a hard time watching it through without getting sick to my stomach.

I dunno just a thought I had, I'm new so I'm sure it's been discussed here before.
Agreed as most do. TV has been very swell meanwhile the PPVs haven't given you too much to appreciate on the year. MITB & WM are the only full shows where I really enjoyed the entire way. Payback was close. It did have its down points however. Main events failed to pull through except for the superb World Championship match.

And nah. Blood in wrestling is there for a reason if not from hard way. IT's to create that hightened intensity & tension. This man is psychically bleeding in the ring as fans watch on TV & in the arenas and we love the story it can generally tell. You mentioned Eddie vs JBL and I couldn't disagree more. It was that gruesome scene that took that already molten atmosphere and upped it to, not to eleven, but to TWENTY. Blood used for the right purposes is certainly a missing ingredient for big time grudges. Hell in a Cell really does benefit from blood as you look in the past. It doesn't NEED it, but it can help the story.

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I haven't seen MiTB yet so I will have to check it out and compare with the others, but I'd have to agree that PPV's this year have sucked a whole lot of suck. Raw and Smackdown have actually been very good though, especially compared to last year which I think will go down as the worst TV year of the last 10+ years. I think MiTB might replace KoTR and become one of WWE's "A" events in the future, because so far there hasn't been a dud, and 2011 had the GOAT match of the PG era.

Does it make me a weirdo or a sick SOB that in my view the lack of blood in the no DQ,cell, cage, fca, etc matches that take place nowadays takes something away from the matches? I've been watching a ton of stuff from the ruthless aggression era lately and it just makes some of those matches seem a ton more hard hitting, dramatic, and impactful than the ones we see today. I mean hbk bleeding like a stuck pig really put his hiac match with taker over the top for me, without it I think it would take a lot away from what in my view is the greatest main event ever. Triple h bleeding all over the place while Batista bashed his skull in with a barbed wire chair is an amazing site to see, and something I guess we won't get anymore. Then again in Guerrero vs jbl judgement day the excessive blood killed the match for me and I have a hard time watching it through without getting sick to my stomach.

I dunno just a thought I had, I'm new so I'm sure it's been discussed here before.
Having someone bleed heavily definitely adds to matches like HIAC, but I don't think it's a dealbreaker in terms of how good they are. Would I like there to be some blading during matches again? Yes, but you can see why they don't allow it anymore and it's not a huge deal IMO. On the flip side, now that there's no blood it makes everyone FREAK OUT when their is some accidental blood spilled.

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43.

World Heavyweight Championship - Mark Henry(c) Vs Randy Orton (Hell in a Cell 2011)


42.

Mark Henry Vs The Big Show (Money in the Bank 2011)


41.

Mark Henry Vs Rey Mysterio (Smackdown 1/27/2006)


40.

Mark Henry Vs Triple H (RAW 6/3/2008)


39.

World Heavyweight Championship (Lumberjack Match) - Mark Henry Vs Daniel Bryan (Smackdown 1/20/2012)


38.

Mark Henry Vs John Morrison (RAW 10/17/2011)


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Mark Henry Vs The Big Show (Smackdown 2/21/2012)


36.

Mark Henry Vs Primo (Superstars 6/2/2010)


35.

Mark Henry Vs John Morrison (RAW 10/3/2011)


34.

Mark Henry Vs Evan Bourne (ECW 6/16/2009)


33.

Mark Henry Vs Jerry Lawler (IYH Mind Games 1996)


32.

Mark Henry Vs Rey Mysterio (RAW 4/29/2011 ... Yes I understand that it's a Smackdown picture, whatever)


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Mark Henry Vs Christian (Smackdown 6/3/2011)



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Evan, the Henry list looks wonderful but WHY did you have to stretch my page the way you did? I know the Henry vs Morrison match is great, however BOOO @ stretching.

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Agreed as most do. TV has been very swell meanwhile the PPVs haven't given you too much to appreciate on the year. MITB & WM are the only full shows where I really enjoyed the entire way. Payback was close. It did have its down points however. Main events failed to pull through except for the superb World Championship match.

And nah. Blood in wrestling is there for a reason if not from hard way. IT's to create that hightened intensity & tension. This man is psychically bleeding in the ring as fans watch on TV & in the arenas and we love the story it can generally tell. You mentioned Eddie vs JBL and I couldn't disagree more. It was that gruesome scene that took that already molten atmosphere and upped it to, not to eleven, but to TWENTY. Blood used for the right purposes is certainly a missing ingredient for big time grudges. Hell in a Cell really does benefit from blood as you look in the past. It doesn't NEED it, but it can help the story.
I think I can't watch judgement day 2004 because I knew what happened afterwards before I saw the actual match, that Eddie (who has always been my favorite wrestler) was rushed to the hospital for massive blood loss and actually passed out in the ambulance on the way. I cut my leg on a circular saw once and lost almost a 1/4 of my blood, That's some really scary shit, and when I saw the fountain of blood pouring out of his head after that unbelievable chair shot, I just started getting really nervous and almost couldnt make it through the whole thing. It is incredibly dramatic to watch though, I can't imagine what the fans in attendance that night felt like.

I understand business wise why wwe wants to be pg, because they can get a ton of money in sponsorship/endorsement dollars they wouldn't have otherwise, but I do think wrestling gets held to a different standard than anything else. There is blood and sex and violent acts in a lot of pg rated shows and movies, but heaven forbid wrestling ever did something like that, or it would be back to tv-14 ratings.

Which matches would you guys like to see on PPV that wwe hasn't offered yet? I'd like to see some Daniel Bryan vs Mark Henry before Henry actually retires. I know they have wrestled on tv but I'd like a nice 20+ minutes of PPV quality action.

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I think I can't watch judgement day 2004 because I knew what happened afterwards before I saw the actual match, that Eddie (who has always been my favorite wrestler) was rushed to the hospital for massive blood loss and actually passed out in the ambulance on the way. I cut my leg on a circular saw once and lost almost a 1/4 of my blood, That's some really scary shit, and when I saw the fountain of blood pouring out of his head after that unbelievable chair shot, I just started getting really nervous and almost couldnt make it through the whole thing. It is incredibly dramatic to watch though, I can't imagine what the fans in attendance that night felt like.

I understand business wise why wwe wants to be pg, because they can get a ton of money in sponsorship/endorsement dollars they wouldn't have otherwise, but I do think wrestling gets held to a different standard than anything else. There is blood and sex and violent acts in a lot of pg rated shows and movies, but heaven forbid wrestling ever did something like that, or it would be back to tv-14 ratings.

Which matches would you guys like to see on PPV that wwe hasn't offered yet? I'd like to see some Daniel Bryan vs Mark Henry before Henry actually retires. I know they have wrestled on tv but I'd like a nice 20+ minutes of PPV quality action.
Ah, I see. Perfectly understandable considering the scenario. I've been fortunate enough to never had anything that drastic occur to me so the match, while I view it, doesn't quite hit home. It's still absurd and gravely brutal, but it's one of my all time favorite matches. It's great, emotional, a bit scary, and shows the heart wrestlers can produce in dire situations.

THANK YOU. The Office is TV PG and yet it deals with sex as a topic on a frequent basis. Yet WWE can't talk about that. Can't show a bit of heightened violence. Can't do anything remotely taboo and I think it is a bit extreme. Ok, fine we're not in the Attitude or Ruthless Aggression eras. Not a problem. Why does that have to force WWE to have to try and put the product at a different level? The topics at hand can be toned down. Just not completely removed. Don't understand it. PG on tv isn't PG like how it is in movies. I think WWE priorities are trying to please the wrong people and not to those who actually like & care to watch the product.

PPV match that we haven't gotten yet? Danielson vs Henry would be grand. That's a good pick for me. To offer something new I'd say Cesaro vs Sheamus on PPV. Or Cesaro vs a slew of talent. Even someone who's currently a heel like Rollins. Cesaro vs Rollins on PPV with a nice bit of time behind it. I'd salivate.

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Mark Henry Vs Rey Mysterio (RAW 4/29/2011 ... Yes I understand that it's a Smackdown picture, whatever)
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Hoping I see a Henry vs Kane match make the list. They have a few 3-5 minute slugfests that rock. One match from 2011 right before Kane left was really good iirc.

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