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Old 07-22-2013, 06:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
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But ... the question on everyone's lips is ...

does adding the prefix Neo onto a word make it sound cool or what?
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Old 07-22-2013, 06:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Before you go on spreading a bunch of half-truths about one of the worst regimes in history and making some asinine comments on the Trayvon Martin case, you should maybe log off and read a book. Several, in fact. Go, you've got work to do. /rant

Almost every German wrestler who has a modicum of success in America gets a gimmick at some point that plays with Nazi imagery and equally tiresome stereotypes about Germans (Militarism, efficiency, delusions of superiority, pseudo-Nietzschean babble, etc.). Just look at what they did to Alex Wight when they gave him the atrocious "Berlyn" gimmick back in the day. (And yet, British fans think they have it bad...)

Needless to say, I don't enjoy it at all. Maybe I'm not edgy enough, maybe it's because of my Jewish background, but using the Nazis as a prop to provide some cheap entertainment is just crossing the line for me. It's not enlightening, it's not entertaining, it's just dumb. Having Swagger and Coulter spout their bigoted anti-immigrant rhetoric is fine, but it shouldn't go that far.
Oh, I'm sure you're incredibly impartial on the subject.

What books would you like me to read? The ones about how the mass murdering Soviet Union killed 12 million people before Hitler ever came to power, and had a thoroughly Jewish leadership which exterminated people in the most inhumane ways imaginable, or the ones about how the allies helped this mass murdering regime c...h Europe and turn half of Western civilization into a Communist concentration camp from hell? Maybe I should read the ones about how WWII's European theater, despite American post-war propaganda, was fought between the Nationalist, traditional Germans, and the mass murdering Soviet butcher shop, and that with a Soviet victory, Communism would go on to exterminate 500 MILLION people around the world in the 20th century.

Or maybe I should read the ones about how Communists killed more people last century during PEACETIME than all the wars in human history COMBINED. Is that what I should read up on?

Maybe I could read the ones about the IDF using Gestapo tactics, taken from Gestapo training manuals, to put the jack boots to Palestinian kids?

Or maybe I should read your ridiculous book, called "Germans fighting the Soviet Union = evil, Soviet Union butchering people by the tens of millions = good."
That's the only book that's legal after all in our new and improved George Orwellian society, right?

Maybe you should go read a book instead of pretending a half an hour in front of the History Channel tells you everything you need to know.

Oh, I know, "We had to aim to c...h Germany in 1939 because in 1944 and 1945 we predicted they were going to kill some people, and to do this we had to side with the Soviet Union, who already killed 12~20 million people, because they were just misunderstood."

I don't want to see a Nazi character either.

I'd like to see a Banker character that busts out economies and causes hyperinflation to destroy nations, fomests Communist revolutions all over the planet, sends millions of farmers and peasants to Siberian gulags, starved tens of millions to death intentionally, than pretends to be the victim when they get hit in the head with a chair.

Think it could be a great heel gimmick.

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Old 07-22-2013, 06:22 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Im suprised it didn't happen back in the attitude era...especially with the type of fans that watched...

Not to mention it seems WWE cares about it's image too much now, and the country is EVEN MORE Politically Correct than back then.
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Not per se, but at least until recently, it was pretty clear that Colter & Swagger suspected pretty much every single immigrant there is to be an illegal. Which is very bigoted.



That's pretty neat for those Germans and the space programs, I guess, but what has this to do with the fact that the Third Reich wasn't a pinnacle of human development and that there were far too many Nazi-esque gimmicks in wrestling?
I don't think anyone is promoting the ethics of the Third Reich but there is no factually denying that there was scientific achievement. The Third Reich did also bring Germany out of economic despair that many attributed to the Treaty of Versailles. From an ethics perspective the Third Reich was very evil however objectively it did help turn their economy around and there was much scientific advancements probably from the massive military build up.
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They had a pro-black stable in '98. tho'.. Would've been great to see Skinhead stable go against the Nation back in the day, lol
Just pretend DOA was a Nazi biker gang, makes things more interesting.
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Oh, I'm sure you're incredibly impartial on the subject.

What books would you like me to read? The ones about how the mass murdering Soviet Union killed 12 million people before Hitler ever came to power, and had a thoroughly Jewish leadership which exterminated people in the most inhumane ways imaginable, or the ones about how the allies helped this mass murdering regime c...h Europe and turn half of Western civilization into a Communist concentration camp from hell? Maybe I should read the ones about how WWII's European theater, despite American post-war propaganda, was fought between the Nationalist, traditional Germans, and the mass murdering Soviet butcher shop, and that with a Soviet victory, Communism would go on to exterminate 500 MILLION people around the world in the 20th century.

Or maybe I should read the ones about how Communists killed more people last century during PEACETIME than all the wars in human history COMBINED. Is that what I should read up on?

Maybe I could read the ones about the IDF using Gestapo tactics, taken from Gestapo training manuals, to put the jack boots to Palestinian kids?

Or maybe I should read your ridiculous book, called "Germans fighting the Soviet Union = evil, Soviet Union butchering people by the tens of millions = good."
That's the only book that's legal after all in our new and improved George Orwellian society, right?

Maybe you should go read a book instead of pretending a half an hour in front of the History Channel tells you everything you need to know.

Oh, I know, "We had to aim to c...h Germany in 1939 because in 1944 and 1945 we predicted they were going to kill some people, and to do this we had to side with the Soviet Union, who already killed 12~20 million people, because they were just misunderstood."
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that being Jewish disqualifies me from discussing Nazis, German stereotypes, or pro-wrestling. The more you know.

I also didn't know that the crimes Stalin committed magically make the crimes of the Third Reich a-ok [EDIT: or vice versa], or that I suggested something like that. Maybe I'm too brainwashed by the media to realize that implicitly praising a genocidal maniac (like you did in your previous post) is fine, as long as there is someone else who also has blood on his hands.

Anyway, because I generally find it a bit ridiculous to get into a historical discussion on a freakin' wrestling forum, of all places, let me say this: You're a douchebag. I'd probably suggest something like Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction to you if having some rather grave misconceptions about the Third Reich's economic history was your only problem. However, after reading this -

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I'd like to see a Banker character that busts out economies and causes hyperinflation to destroy nations, fomests Communist revolutions all over the planet, sends millions of Siberian gulags, starved tens of millions to death intentionally, than pretends to be the victim when they get hit in the head with a chair.

Think it could be a great heel gimmick.
I'm fairly convinced that you're nothing but an anti-semitic conspiracy nutjob, and since nothing but professional help may serve to change your opinions, I refuse to engage in any further discussion with you. I've stated my opinions. Go die in a fire.

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I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that being Jewish disqualifies me from discussing Nazis, German stereotypes, or pro-wrestling. The more you know.

I also didn't know that the crimes Stalin committed magically make the crimes of the Third Reich a-ok, or that I said suggested like that. Maybe I'm too brainwashed by the media to realize that implicitly praising a genocidal maniac (like you did in your previous post) is fine, as long as there is someone else who also hasn blood on his hands.

Anyway, because I generally find it a bit ridiculous to get into a historical discussion on a freakin' wrestling forum, of all places, let me say this: You're a douchebag. I'd probably suggest something like Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction to you if having some rather grave misconceptions about the Third Reich's economic history was your only problem. However, after reading this -

I'm fairly convinced that you're nothing but an anti-semitic conspiracy nutjob, and since nothing but professional help may serve to change your opinions, I refuse to engage in any further discussion with you. I've stated my opinions. Go die in a fire.
Oh, the anti-Semitic card comes out just for pointing out facts about the Soviet Union.
How very classy of you.

I agree with you, though.



This is pure evil, and we have to fire bomb their civilian cities into ash from the sky, killing millions of their civilians so we can make sure that this guy...



And this guy



Successfully take over Europe, and rape and murder everyone in it, like the evil girl in the picture above, which is what happened.
And when the Germans, losing a war that means their family, daughters, mothers and sisters will be raped and killed in defeat by the "super good Communists," start to shoot people in the final year of the war, we can call them EVIL for the next century.

Then all the good Communists can go on to kill HALF A BILLION PEOPLE in the 20th century, and that won't matter, because we'll have the Nazis to point the finger at. It'll be perfect.

Then a 100 years later Western civilization can fall into complete ruin, and our job will be complete.

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[quote=XxAttitudeEraxX;21480361]Oh, the anti-Semitic card comes out just for pointing out facts about the Soviet Union.
How very classy of you.

What the hell are you smoking? Your having a imaginary argument. He/she said nothing in favour of the Soviet Union yet you keep wittering on about it.
Your either an inventive troll or you need to get help because your reading things that are not there.
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