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Re: What superstars today do you think would have fit in perfectly in the Attitude Er

Heel Orton, Brock, Thug Cena, SES Punk, Wyatt's, and maybe The Shield.

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Re: What superstars today do you think would have fit in perfectly in the Attitude Er

Apart from the ones who were around then i.e. HHH, Taker, Christian, Henry, Kane, Jericho, I think the two that would have the best chance would be Sandow and Punk, Punk only because of his straight-edge lifestyle.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ah1rFRZxts

Sunday night Heats were better in their day than current WWE PPV's.

That alone should say a lot.

The midcarders were more interesting than today's main eventers, thus, todays main eventers would have struggled to even be midcarders in the Attitude Era.

PERIOD.
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I think what the garbage-era fanboys are forgetting is that the Rock and Austin's pushes were GUARANTEED. Both of them are first ballot Hall of Famers by virtue of their TALENTS, not a 6 year push.

So where does that leave Orton and Cena and Punk?

None of them have the skill set to compete with the Rock and Austin for main event status and both would be squashed by them on a regular basis. Now... if they're getting squashed by Austin and The Rock, what would be the nature of their promos which were largely on the fly in those days?

Cena wouldn't have been able to call on a six man superman push for his material, so what is he possibly going to say to get over in that era with the crowd? "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HE WOULD HAVE SAID!"

After the Rock called him a transvestite Wonder-woman his career would of been finished back then, period.

Coming out and pandering to the crowd and acting like they are a part of the WWE didn't work back then. The crowd was there as spectators, not part of the show, and Cena's material would have irritated the hell out of them. The people that HATE Cena now are mostly all older Attitude Era fans, and we don't hate him in a `heel` way. We hate him in a `go away` way.

The thug thing, whether it be white-thug or black-thug, didn't work back then. People hated it. Rap and Pro Wrestling clashed like oil and water. It would have never of gotten over.

So you say Cena would have to get a new character. What character? What character would he be able to use that didn't get dangerously close to infringing on another characters gimmick, like Stone Cold's?

And gimmick and character was important back then. It wasn't like today were you basically came out and acted like yourself, just hanging out with the WWE universe. You had to be someone, which is why the current Cena schtick and CM Punk (who I like) would have failed miserably.

There would be no room for them or for any meaningful push.

Cena would have clashed with the culture, with the times, with the fans, and with the other gimmicks. He wouldn't have fit in at all. He wouldn't have had a job.

Sorry Cena lovers, but it's true.
That's odd, because when Cena first debuted and started getting his main event push he was as over as they got back then, and this was during a time when the majority of the fans were still hanging around from the AE. Remember when he beat Big Show for the United States Title at Wrestlemania 20? He blew the roof off Madison Square Garden of all places and got one of the biggest ovations of the night.

Sorry Cena haters, it's true, it's damn true.

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Re: What superstars today do you think would have fit in perfectly in the Attitude Er

Give it a rest. Sunday Night Heat was not better than today's PPVs. Heck, look back at the PPVs of 1998 and 1999 and tell me how many of them are even remotely good.

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Re: What superstars today do you think would have fit in perfectly in the Attitude Er

^^^Somebody just stop this guy. We get your point. You LOVEEEE the Attitude Era. I enjoyed it, as did others. Get over it.

Anyway, back on to topic:

"Doctor of Thuganomics" John Cena: Not as a face - but as a heel. Wrestling and rap didn't mix back then. It didn't. So, if you had 15,000 people in an arena who are your stereotypical wrestling fan back then (beer, violence and heavy metal oriented lives) and out comes a white guy rapping on the crowd? MAJOR heat. They would of hated him, and as time went on and culture changed, so may his popularity. It would of worked. Main Event? Maybe not. But a shoe in for an IC Title reign.

"The Straight Edge Saviour" CM Punk: SES/2009/Shaving peoples heads/I'm better than you Punk for the exact same reasons as above - except this guy would have been hated EVEN MORE than Cena. Like I said, at a time where wrestling was extremely popular with male-adults, you get a guy coming out explaining how he doesn't drink or do drugs, and that he's better than everyone else because of this? Would of been one of the most hated guys in the company. And wasn't "Straight Edge" and that kind of stuff growing in popularity at the time as well?

The Shield, Damien Sandow; heck, even Fandango IMO would have been a good fit, mainly due to them having very strong gimmicks which separate them from everyone else.

Obviously Rob Van Dam as well, but he was around at the time. Would of been epic if he was a part of the WWF.




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I think Punk would have fit in perfectly. However, I doubt his size and lifestyle choice would have allowed him to make it.

If you dropped Punk into the attitude era, I believe he could hang perfectly well with Rock and Austin on the mic. He made the Rock (albeit an out of practice Rock) look like an idiot in January. It is indisputable that he is better in the ring than both of them because, whlle Rock and Austin are both legends, it wasn't their in ring work that elevated them to that status.

However, I agree that him not having the licence to break kayfabe would have hurt him and his size would have been even more of an issue for people back then. Couple these things with the performance enhancement/recreational drug use which Punk so clearly (and understandably) abhors, and I think it would be very hard for him to make it to be signed to the WWE and nigh on impossible to rise to main event status. Although you never know.

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I think what the garbage-era fanboys are forgetting is that the Rock and Austin's pushes were GUARANTEED. Both of them are first ballot Hall of Famers by virtue of their TALENTS, not a 6 year push.

So where does that leave Orton and Cena and Punk?

None of them have the skill set to compete with the Rock and Austin for main event status and both would be squashed by them on a regular basis. Now... if they're getting squashed by Austin and The Rock, what would be the nature of their promos which were largely on the fly in those days?

Cena wouldn't have been able to call on a six man superman push for his material, so what is he possibly going to say to get over in that era with the crowd? "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HE WOULD HAVE SAID!"

After the Rock called him a transvestite Wonder-woman his career would of been finished back then, period.

Coming out and pandering to the crowd and acting like they are a part of the WWE didn't work back then. The crowd was there as spectators, not part of the show, and Cena's material would have irritated the hell out of them. The people that HATE Cena now are mostly all older Attitude Era fans, and we don't hate him in a `heel` way. We hate him in a `go away` way.

The thug thing, whether it be white-thug or black-thug, didn't work back then. People hated it. Rap and Pro Wrestling clashed like oil and water. It would have never of gotten over.

So you say Cena would have to get a new character. What character? What character would he be able to use that didn't get dangerously close to infringing on another characters gimmick, like Stone Cold's?

And gimmick and character was important back then. It wasn't like today were you basically came out and acted like yourself, just hanging out with the WWE universe. You had to be someone, which is why the current Cena schtick and CM Punk (who I like) would have failed miserably.

There would be no room for them or for any meaningful push.

Cena would have clashed with the culture, with the times, with the fans, and with the other gimmicks. He wouldn't have fit in at all. He wouldn't have had a job.

Sorry Cena lovers, but it's true.
What you're saying here is a great point because it's really small window to get to the top in the Attitude Era. None of these guys are replacing Austin or Rock. They're no threat to Foley, Big Show or Taker either. Maybe you can steal HHH's push but he's master at backstage politics and had a successful DX marketing campaign behind him. So very unlikely. You're not going to steal Kurt Angle's push. Olympic gold medal means it's guaranteed. Jericho was immensely over. His possible to steal his push but unlikely as well. From the looks of things best case scenario is getting over as a mid carder and having a run in the Ruthless Aggression era.

There's no way to know what Cena's character would look like, but what I do think you're missing is John Cena was over with women from day one. Stephanie was the person who lobbied for Cena and that wouldn't change in the AE. She's still going to tell Vince he's fine, women will go nuts over him find a way to get him over. I can't tell you what his character would look like but what I can say is he'd have strong support from the McMahons which means one of the McMahons would be working on screen with him. That goes a long way in getting over and while no one can predict what his gimmick would be with the McMahon's support they will do everything in their power to make it good.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ah1rFRZxts

Sunday night Heats were better in their day than current WWE PPV's.

That alone should say a lot.

The midcarders were more interesting than today's main eventers, thus, todays main eventers would have struggled to even be midcarders in the Attitude Era.

PERIOD.
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