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Old 07-20-2013, 10:09 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Cena, he's one of the best ever. He's only the character he is now because of money.
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:38 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I'm sure most of the roster today could have gotten over in some way, shape, or form if they were packaged correctly and given the right push. And saying Cena's current character wouldn't get over isn't really fair, because he probably wouldn't have the character he does now. Do you think the Ringmaster would have gotten over in the attitude era? Or how about Rocky Maivia? Hunter Hearst Helmsley's original character? Probably not on all 3, but they were repackaged to something the worked, the same would happen with your Cena's, your Punks, your Zigglers, and your Bryans. It's all about giving someone a gimmick they can work with. That's all the attitude era was.
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Old 07-20-2013, 11:15 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Punk's gimmick isn't really a gimmick. He is just being himself.

As for the Dolph/Bill Gunn comparisons come on now. There are a few similarities but Dolph is way better in the ring on an avg day then Gunn was on his best day. Dolph is more like a Mr Perfect meets Rick Rude meets 95-96 HBK.
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I really liked the posts about the cut throat environment backstage back then. That HAS to be taken into account. I'll touch on Cena a bit. I like Cena, but I'm going to be really truthful here. The current Cena would be unemployed.

No way Vince would give someone this kind of push back then for this long without giving Hulkamania levels of mainstream attention. I know Cena made buckets of money for WM in the last two years, but it is highly arguable that Attitude Era guys like Rock and Taker were pivotal in helping the buy rates as the rest of the year nothing comes close.

There is also NO WAY guys like HBK would have taken a backseat to Cena either. We saw what happened with Bret Hart who was the traditional white meat babyface in that era who had to turn heel to survive the environment with Austin and HBK.

Someone brought up the 11 minute promo Rock did on Cena as an example of what he wwould encounter and it 100 percent true. 2005 Cena reaction is what would have occurred in the attitude era with Cena IF that was his persona. Guys like JBL and Christian called out his flaws and fans picked up on it. Jericho picked up where Christian left off mocking his rap persona. It got worse when HHH berated him months after that in early 2006.

Now I agreed with the push as a new star wad needed, but that stuff would have destroyed him completely in 1997-98 in there with the likes of HBK, Austin, and Rock imo.

With that said I also believe Cena would be more edgy like he was in 2003 and he would have fit in, but no higher than IC level imo. Would he capitalize on the rap culture better back then? Maybe as Outsiders were obviously mimicking some of That's attitude imo and we saw how over they were.

There would still be the problem with his ringwork though if it was similar to his first title reign. Hart, HBK, Austin, and Taker would be hard on him about improving imo too.

CM Punk currently would not work imo because he wouldn't be allowed to mimick Austin's anti-authority persona. Austin wouldn't allow that ad it's too similar.

CM Punk would have done something though that would work imo since he seems to be a guy patterning some of his persona on shades of grey.

Ziggler would have the same problem with HBK too imo. He probably would be like Billy Gunn which isn't bad as he was over. Saying Ziggler is like Perfect I can see it, but don't forget HBK was around in his prime heel mode or just flat out showstopping. Ziggler can't compete there.

The top guys today imo would be strong midcard to upper midcard. Guys like Lesnar would still be main eventing though. Just think 2000-2 when guys like Angle, Benoit, and Jericho were in that positioning. Then compare their respected heat in 2005 when Cena was on top and it's a pretty good indication.

There was a huge reason why the company shifted gears when Attitude Era fans rejected Cena the company went PG after HHH and HBK put him over at back to back Mania shows.

In today's roster defense Vince McMahon has become WCW corporate wise watering down for business reasons. He is doing exactly what he accused WCW of doing in 1994-5 imo which was doing the same thing over and over again(WCW copying old reliable 80's WWF storylines playing it safe with brand name star power not advancing the product), while being corporate not listening to fans.



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Punk has a gimmick. It is kind of blurred and not as obvious as being an irish midget or whatever the hell but he isn't anywhere near Cena levels where he is "just himself"
he's egocentric and the character kind of makes you believe that he actually is the best thing since sliced bread.
It's a heel act but as we've seen lately it works out as a face too even without him having to have an authority figure hold him down.

I still think people would turn against Cena in the AE even as the Dr. of Thuganomics. Wiggers weren't that over until the 2000's lol
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I think Punk would have fit in, but not sure he would have been givin a good push.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:48 AM   #57 (permalink)
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CM Punk "Best in the world"

Bret Hart "Best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be"

See the similarities?

Bret Hart complained about not getting the promised opportunities for resigning.

Punk in the summer of 2011 sounds and looks familiar to Hart even down to the screwjob scenario?

I'm just pointing out things where today's guys stuff which made them stars for this era would not been done in the Attitude Era because it would be halted backstage and arguably it was perhaps done better by the originals. This not even taking into account these guys vetoing any similarities.

I do believe Punk has a mind for the business where he would adapt and do something though.

However his brash nature also resembles HBK claims of being best in the world challenging any athlete in 1998 during the build for Mania. Who would win main event favor between these two is easy to see imo.

Just saying these guys were a different breed from territorial days to fighting a Monday Night War. Bret and Austin have both commented one way or the other how the cut throat nature isn't there with today's stars. Hart even went so far to say he feels Cena may be too nice to be a real heel anymore. Those guys would politic the hell out of today's roster imo.

A few exceptions like Punk, but even he felt HHH's wrath in the summer of Punk when HHH cooled his heat.

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There are a lot of similarities between Punk and Bret Hart. Punk and Savage too.

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True, but a huge difference is those guys had "the look". I remember the joke of CM Punk looking like a homeless man. Who you think Vince would push more Punk or those two as champion in the Attitude Era?

Forget about even touching it in Savage's hey day.

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Actually, Cena would have been fine. Top guy? No way. Main eventer? Nah. He probably would have kept his thug gimmick and been a top midcarder.

Punk would have done fine too, but almost more of a upper midcarder.

Orton would be somewhat high on the card, but no way would he win so many world titles, not without any great mic skills.

Bryan would have been over with the YES shit still, but I doubt he would be contending for a world title. IC title at best.
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