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Old 07-03-2013, 12:49 PM   #171 (permalink)
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You're totally right. It's not like he was the one who create the storyline between Vince and Stone Cold and the storylines he had, I'm sure that the Austin 3:16 alone made him the legend he is today... Vince Russo can do shit, it's alright but the guy also did some golden writing in the WWF. Saying that he was just a idiot is insulting. It's like saying that a season was awesome but not because of the showrunner. Russo was the head of creative when wrestling was at his best and he wrote the segment that had the biggest rating in the history of wrestling
I never called him an idiot. All I said was that Vince Russo is not responsible for Austin's success, nor The Rock's for that matter. Austin and Rock made themselves because they're two of the most charismatic men in wrestling history. That's why they continue to have success after their wrestling careers. Talent eventually rises to the top and you could put those two in any sort of situation or storyline and it would get over the same way as it did back then.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:50 PM   #172 (permalink)
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I mean what right do you have attributing these storylines to Vince Russo? That he existed at the time? By that logic, every piece of shit that happened in WCW in 2000 to 2001 was Vince Russo's by extension
But but but... WCW was going down anyway

I do agree though. While russo does deserve some credit for some of the feuds you can't give him 100% for it all. Especially if your not willing to give him shit for all the crap too. People do need to also remember that guys like Vince also played a huge part of it all. As did all the wrestlers getting their characters down to a T. Russo without a filter is horrible as shown in his time in WCW.
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I don't want to give out mixed signals here since, I'm not the biggest fan of attitude era story lines, but the writer does deserve credit. Same thing happens in Hollywood all the time, Director and Actor makes all the headlines and gets the money, but they wouldn't have fuck all to do w/o a writer. I think Cornette is the best booker/creative and would rather see him come back than Russo, but guys arguing against Russo have some of the most asswards back arguments, I have ever seen about anything.

How come when the guy does well, it's all the wrestlers and executives, and there's no proof he did anything?
But when he does bad, it had nothing to do with the wrestlers, or the executives entering a business merger that tanked 2 companies, and turned WCW into liability b/c the whole company needed to file for bankruptcy?

Also, just stop with the whole omg he has to write 100 ideas to get a good one. You sound like a child or an ignorant man who's never used his brain to make money. That is exactly how every business runs brainstorming/creative sessions, shit even if you ever took a Business 101 class in college they will give you brainstorming work and tell you write down everything that pops into your head no matter how random or inefficient, and they will even give a ridiculous number like 50, 100, or 250, that you have to get to. It's called work, you come up with every idea you can and develop the best of the lot. The ideas you thought where bad, could end up inspiring a better version of the idea from someone else, or jog their head about a completely different thing.
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yeah. bizarre gender bending wrestler to antagonise the audience and fuck with their heads

there's an original concept never before seen in wrestling
I think you forgot about Gorgeous George and Adrian Adonis.
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I never called him an idiot. All I said was that Vince Russo is not responsible for Austin's success, nor The Rock's for that matter. Austin and Rock made themselves because they're two of the most charismatic men in wrestling history. That's why they continue to have success after their wrestling careers. Talent eventually rises to the top and you could put those two in any sort of situation or storyline and it would get over the same way as it did back then.
It's stupid, so Russo did nothing ? Do you think Stone Cold would be what he is today without Stone Cold vs Vince Mcmahon ? Do you think The Rock would be as great as he is right now without the awesome storyline with the corporation ? They were talented ? Of course they were, are you gonna push an looser ? For The Rock, he was NOTHING before the storyline of the corporation. It's because of the awesome storyline that he was able to show the world everything he could do. Even the most talented guy of all-time won't be a legend without something good behind, they need historical stuff and this is what Russo's gave to them
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pretty sure rock was a major rising star pre corporation

and pretty sure Vince vs Austin was inevitable due to their characters, history, positions, and crowd influence
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Because it's TNA. There's no such thing as a star in the minor leagues. There's blue chip prospects but they need a vehicle like the WWF to actually become a star.
heyman on local access tv created stars, rvd, taz, sandman, dudleys, raven were all guys wcw and wwf wanted, look at the reaction taz got at the 2000 rumble, do you think any of the tna originals would get that kind of reaction if they debuted at the 2014 rumble

not talking about creating the next hogan or austin but if you can't create stars on the level of heymans ecw despite being in prime time in 100 million american homes and most of that time the same channel as ufc who were attracting millions of viewers to spike in 2006-10

samoa joe was the hottest talent in the world outside wwf in 2005 and look at him now, years of nonsense like being kidnapped by ninjas, called fat and wearing a fake face tattoo has killed his gimmick, tna had tanahashi and okada under contract while russo was there, russo thought it was a great idea to dress okada up to look like a kato ripoff

tanahashi and okada and now the two biggest stars in japan, their match on january 4 at the tokyo dome drew 29,000 paid
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pretty sure rock was a major rising star pre corporation

and pretty sure Vince vs Austin was inevitable due to their characters, history, positions, and crowd influence
Because he was a part of a stable called the Nation of Domination... Which Russo created.
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It doesn't matter who they have writing. To be honest, I think they had the right idea in hiring soap writers. They know how to write continuous never ending stories just as well as any guy who "knows the business". No, the real problem is that Vince doesn't listen to anybody anymore. I will give Russo credit that he had some good ideas back in the day, Vince acted as a filter, taking all of Russo's good ideas and separating them from the bad ones. These days Vince seems to just filter everything out, if it's not exactly what Vince wants, it's a bad idea.
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It doesn't matter who they have writing. To be honest, I think they had the right idea in hiring soap writers. They know how to write continuous never ending stories just as well as any guy who "knows the business". No, the real problem is that Vince doesn't listen to anybody anymore. I will give Russo credit that he had some good ideas back in the day, Vince acted as a filter, taking all of Russo's good ideas and separating them from the bad ones. These days Vince seems to just filter everything out, if it's not exactly what Vince wants, it's a bad idea.
Soap Opera and Hollywood writers are the problem. Vince Russo is not either of them. He knows wrestling. He was a part of the business for 6 years before he became head writer. He is a wrestling fan. Maybe he values the entertainment aspect more than the technical wrestling, but he is a wrestling writer. He has spoken in the past how Hollywood writers are not good for the business because there is nothing else in the world like wrestling. And it's true.
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