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*Shawn attributes most of the Montreal stuff to HHH, in both his book, and the Greatest Rivalries DVD. So we have one of the biggest situations ever in wrestling, with only four people in on it, and making decisions on it...Shawn, Vince, Jerry Brisco and....HHH. Wtf? Who is he? And HHH was the shot-caller! Amazing. And the worst part is, Vince & Bret had already come to an agreement, with Shawn onboard, until HHH talked him out of it (Bret beating Shawn in Canada, and then dropping the belt to him cleanly in Springfield). Regardless of the merits of the Montreal situation, the fact that HHH was even in on a high level discussion like that, is unbelievable. And goes to show you how far he was using his behind the scenes climbing.
LMFAO. This is so typical HHH hate. So you're telling us, Vince, the genius promoter and shawn michaels, despite all his personal hatred for bret and his notorious ego and attitude just simply agreed to do the right thing until HHH told them not to. Right, that totally makes sense. And i don't believe that "holding the Rock down" nonsense either. The Rock was still part of the company with shawn michaels as the top guy and HHH the Evil bastard running around long after bret left, so why didn't he get buried by them exactly? Not to mention Rock was essentially a jobber act at that time. He went on to become a top star two years later. And lol at HHH wanting to beat bret hart on a fucking house show. GTFO. Anyone who believes Bret's bitter butthurt backstage conspiracy theories needs to get their heads checked.

Assuming he will run the company one day, answer to this thread is clearly HHH.
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LMFAO. This is so typical HHH hate. So you're telling us, Vince, the genius promoter and shawn michaels, despite all his personal hatred for bret and his notorious ego and attitude just simply agreed to do the right thing until HHH told them not to. Right, that totally makes sense. And i don't believe that "holding the Rock down" nonsense either. The Rock was still part of the company with shawn michaels as the top guy and HHH the Evil bastard running around long after bret left, so why didn't he get buried by them exactly? Not to mention Rock was essentially a jobber act at that time. He went on to become a top star two years later. And lol at HHH wanting to beat bret hart on a fucking house show. GTFO. Anyone who believes Bret's bitter butthurt backstage conspiracy theories needs to get their heads checked.

Assuming he will run the company one day, answer to this thread is clearly HHH.
Sad for you, it isn't just Bret. You're saying that because HHH wasn't successful in what he tried to do, that means it didn't happen? That's not too bright.

Anyway, Meltzer reported all of this right after the Screwjob happened. And guess what? No one denied it. Not a soul. It was the most comprehensive report on Montreal at the time, and no one said a thing.

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/classi...l#post18305586
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/classi...-losses-5.html


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I've seen the letters that went back and forth and Bret did agree in writing to lose to anyone once they were out of Canada, whether on Raw, in MSG, or the next PPV. He included Shawn although protested the idea of doing so and specifically suggested losing to Austin, but in his own lawyer's letter agreed to lose once they were out of Canada. In specific, he mentioned he'd lose to Steve Lombardi.
Like I said, Shawn himself says that HHH did all of the talking and that he "barely said anything."

I don't want this to turn into Montreal, but the point still stands, he had no business even opening his mouth in regard to any of this. The fact that he had such access to Vince at that time, is proof of how much he was weasling around.

That jobber, as you call Rock, beat HHH for the IC title. So what would that make HHH? You don't believe that he was threatened by that?

Everyone in the wrestling world knows exactly what and who HHH is. But keep trying to remain in denial, like it's just Bret.

Who do you suppose Rock was talking about in his book, by the way?
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And lol at HHH wanting to beat bret hart on a fucking house show. GTFO. Anyone who believes Bret's bitter butthurt backstage conspiracy theories needs to get their heads checked.
Whoops for you. In Hart's book, he wrote the exact date. February 2, 1997. And what do you know? HHH beat Hart AND Austin. :

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Triple H no question the fact that the face of the company and the biggest thing in the business NEVER EVER!! pinned him clean at his peak is beyond belief

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I don't want this to turn into Montreal, but the point still stands, he had no business even opening his mouth in regard to any of this.
That's a lie. If he "had no businesses opening his mouth" in the matter, than he wouldn't have been in on the meetings in the first place. Vince obviously respected his opinion, or else he wouldn't have had HHH in on the meetings. HHH didn't put a gun to Vince's head and force him to do anything.
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Vince, HHH, John Cena have all won backstage politics
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Triple H no question the fact that the face of the company and the biggest thing in the business NEVER EVER!! pinned him clean at his peak is beyond belief
There is a major reason for that.

They wanted to keep the feud hot for the next couple of months and on top of that they weren't sure how much time The Rock would miss if any for filming for the Mummy Return, plus Austin was still in limbo.
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I'll just post my post from another thread:


This was Triple H's ascension to the top, for those who like to have amnesia (or are unaware), and forget that he's been doing the Stephanie type of shit, long before Stephanie. None of his rise was EVER through natural means.

*Get yourself in good with Nash & Michaels, who were essentially running the show, by brown-nosing and carrying their bags. Literally.

*Slide your way into Michaels' meetings with Vince, and start telling Vince what to do with top stars (while you're still completely unover in your Hunter Hearst incarnation).

*Start using that position to try to fuck over your competition. [See the note in Bret Hart's book about how HHH tried to use Bret to knock off The Rock, after The Rock was booked to win the IC title from HHH...HHH then tried to use his power to book Bret knocking off The Rock for the IC title, but Bret refused to beat The Rock, because he didn't want to stop The Rock's rise, and saw it exactly for what it was [HHH trying to fuck over The Rock] and this infuriated HHH. The Rock in his book wrote about other wrestlers trying to tear him down, and credits Bret for being generous and looking out for him. He also praises the other big names at the time, with Shawn being the glaring omission.]

*Bret also refers to HHH & Shawn constantly badmouthing The Rock to Vince, claiming that he was stiff, missing spots, etc., etc. You can't write it off as just Bret, since this is the Kliq's M.O. Countless other wrestlers have talked about this being the way the Kliq would knock off wrestlers that they didn't like (Shane Douglas, Vader, etc.), using those same exact words. This was a concerted effort on their part.

*HHH tries to get himself booked into beating Bret cleanly at a house show. Bret is at the top of his game at this point and HHH is...HHH.

*Shawn attributes most of the Montreal stuff to HHH, in both his book, and the Greatest Rivalries DVD. So we have one of the biggest situations ever in wrestling, with only four people in on it, and making decisions on it...Shawn, Vince, Jerry Brisco and....HHH. Wtf? Who is he? And HHH was the shot-caller! Amazing. And the worst part is, Vince & Bret had already come to an agreement, with Shawn onboard, until HHH talked him out of it (Bret beating Shawn in Canada, and then dropping the belt to him cleanly in Springfield). Regardless of the merits of the Montreal situation, the fact that HHH was even in on a high level discussion like that, is unbelievable. And goes to show you how far he was using his behind the scenes climbing.

*HHH remains on the booking committee, and presumably after Shawn retires due to injury, is the only active wrestler in this position. Coincidence that he would rise into the position that he did, while Austin & Rock attained it through natural means (and The Rock attaining it despite HHH trying to use his positioning to knock him off)?

*Dumps his long-term, live-in, girlfriend, for someone who is the complete polar opposite of her, both physically & personality-wise. Keys to the kingdom set for life.

And suddenly HHH is one of the GOATs...supposedly. And a new generation will claim that "hey, he did it before Stephanie", not understanding that it never happened organically. There was politicking and "Stephanies" long before Stephanie. And that's why anyone who was around back then, can never take HHH seriously, because he did not get over in a natural way, without the behind the scenes usery, unlike Austin, Rock, Hart, and even Michaels' rises. Yeah, Michaels started politicking later on into his career, but he was already quite big and respected, with performances like the Ladder Match. HHH is the only one who's been using, brow-nosing, and politicking from DAY ONE. And it never stopped.

Aside from many other reasons, it's just hard to be considered a GOAT, when you know of all the behind the scenes machinations that had to take place in order to even get into that position. Most others got there through their sheer talent, maybe with just a slight bit of scheming on the side. With HHH, it was a whole hellavu a lot of scheming, plotting, and self-serving bs. From day one.
HBK and Nash were politicking before HHH was.

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"Despite the way I would feel personally about someone, if it's the right business thing to do, I'll do it for our audience."

"Giving it to the audience is probably the easiest thing. Finding out what they truly want is probably the most difficult."

"If you stop building stars, which we never do, you wouldn't be in business."

"We love our fans, so there's nothing we wouldn't do for them, and we go directly to them."

"Again, the nice part about it is that we listen to our fans, and they're the ones who really decide who is ready to break through into that top echelon."
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LMFAO. This is so typical HHH hate. So you're telling us, Vince, the genius promoter and shawn michaels, despite all his personal hatred for bret and his notorious ego and attitude just simply agreed to do the right thing until HHH told them not to. Right, that totally makes sense. And i don't believe that "holding the Rock down" nonsense either. The Rock was still part of the company with shawn michaels as the top guy and HHH the Evil bastard running around long after bret left, so why didn't he get buried by them exactly? Not to mention Rock was essentially a jobber act at that time. He went on to become a top star two years later. And lol at HHH wanting to beat bret hart on a fucking house show. GTFO. Anyone who believes Bret's bitter butthurt backstage conspiracy theories needs to get their heads checked.

Assuming he will run the company one day, answer to this thread is clearly HHH.
Yeah, Triple H basically said what HBK and Vince were thinking at the time.
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LMFAO. This is so typical HHH hate. So you're telling us, Vince, the genius promoter and shawn michaels, despite all his personal hatred for bret and his notorious ego and attitude just simply agreed to do the right thing until HHH told them not to. Right, that totally makes sense. And i don't believe that "holding the Rock down" nonsense either. The Rock was still part of the company with shawn michaels as the top guy and HHH the Evil bastard running around long after bret left, so why didn't he get buried by them exactly? Not to mention Rock was essentially a jobber act at that time. He went on to become a top star two years later. And lol at HHH wanting to beat bret hart on a fucking house show. GTFO. Anyone who believes Bret's bitter butthurt backstage conspiracy theories needs to get their heads checked.

Assuming he will run the company one day, answer to this thread is clearly HHH.
Yeah, Triple H basically said what HBK and Vince were thinking at the time.
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