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Without Steph, he'd win less world titles and lose when he was supposed to.

Eg, CM Punk, Batista, RVD, Wrestlemania 2000 etc.

Not saying he should lose every match, but these are times when him winning didn't make sense.


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Re: Did Vince Russo think of Triple H as a top guy

I don't think it really mattered either way. Vince McMahon, Kevin Dunn, Bruce Prichard etc were still there, debating who should be pushed. It was clear from 1995 and 1996 that Vince saw Helmsley as a top guy. It would have been ensured he was protected in matches.

He was also lucky in a sense that Michaels was injured when he was. Somebody needed to head DX, so it was a no brainer HHH got that push. HBK had made sure he was pushed strongly throughout 1997, even when fans did not care. DX itself was a merchandise mammoth in the waiting, so whoever led it what in a cool spot.

The roster of 1998 - 1999 did not have a lot of depth either. HHH, Jeff Jarrett and Billy Gunn were the most well round contenders for the top heel spot in the summer of 1999. Gunn failed and Austin/Ross were't hot on Jarrett.
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Re: Did Vince Russo think of Triple H as a top guy

Funny how most people on here take every opportunity to bash HHH yet whenever there's a goat heel thread the unanimous answer is usually HHH.

Hell, his best years (2000 and first half of 2001) were long before he went public with Steph.
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Re: Did Vince Russo think of Triple H as a top guy

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It was under Russo's writing that Triple H first became a main event player, though it wasn't until a few months later that he became a genuine top guy. Also if Russo's shoot interview (not sure which one, but i think it's the one when he was with Ed Ferrara) is to be believed, he said that it was partly because of Paul Levesque, that he didn't go to the WWE in 2002 and instead signed with TNA.
Triple H and Bradshaw were the guys who were against Russo but unlike Bradshaw who openly and directly expressed his dislike of him Triple H hid like a chicken and told Stephanie to tell her father that Russo is a bad decision and that was enough for McMahon to change his mind. The fact that for over 10 years the word of HHH & Stephanie is enough for him to make some decisions is one of the reasons why the business is so shitty in the last 10 years.

As for the topic, Russo made him 2 time WWE champion, his scripts where he turns on DX, turns heel, delivers the worked shoot "I am the game" promo. It was obviously that Russo decided that it was time for Triple H to join the main event scene and with Undertaker and Austin out of action for the next months it would be easier for him but sadly Russo left in the next months just when he started the Triple H main event heel project.
Like therock11 said, he became a top heel, main eventer under Russo and also a 2 time world champion. This is something most Russo bashers ignore claiming how he held Triple H down wich is bullshit because Russo was the guy who really gave everybody a chance. To be honest, nobody would give a fuck about him in 1999 and 2000 if he has not became over in 1998 as DX leader thanks to Russo writing. Also, Steve Austin refusing to work with him and put him over played also a major part

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Funny how most people on here take every opportunity to bash HHH yet whenever there's a goat heel thread the unanimous answer is usually HHH.

Hell, his best years (2000 and first half of 2001) were long before he went public with Steph.
GOAT Heel? He is not even in the category with Mr. McMahon, Ric Flair and Hollywood Hogan and it doesn't matter when he went public, it's about when they started seeing each other and even his best buddy Waltman said that it happened earlier

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Funny how most people on here take every opportunity to bash HHH yet whenever there's a goat heel thread the unanimous answer is usually HHH.

Hell, his best years (2000 and first half of 2001) were long before he went public with Steph.
That's because 12 year olds who don't know any better spam the threads/polls.

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Re: Did Vince Russo think of Triple H as a top guy

If a mid carder HHH is talking Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels out of booking decisions instead of blasting him as a politician maybe you guys should be giving him credit for being a very knowledgeable wrestling mind. Sure he's used that in attempt to crush his competition but that's the industry and it's up to Vince to filter that out.

If you ever heard JR talk about what made the Attitude era so great he alludes to guys having a say on their characters and the desire to want to be the guy even at the expense of stomping on your competition.
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Re: Did Vince Russo think of Triple H as a top guy

He had no business winning WM2000, no business beating Jericho in 2000, no business beating RVD, Booker T, CM Punk, Brock Lesnar. When youre Mr Stephanie Mcmahon though you do what you want.

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Re: Did Vince Russo think of Triple H as a top guy

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Triple H and Bradshaw were the guys who were against Russo but unlike Bradshaw who openly and directly expressed his dislike of him Triple H hid like a chicken and told Stephanie to tell her father that Russo is a bad decision and that was enough for McMahon to change his mind. The fact that for over 10 years the word of HHH & Stephanie is enough for him to make some decisions is one of the reasons why the business is so shitty in the last 10 years.

As for the topic, Russo made him 2 time WWE champion, his scripts where he turns on DX, turns heel, delivers the worked shoot "I am the game" promo. It was obviously that Russo decided that it was time for Triple H to join the main event scene and with Undertaker and Austin out of action for the next months it would be easier for him but sadly Russo left in the next months just when he started the Triple H main event heel project.
Like therock11 said, he became a top heel, main eventer under Russo and also a 2 time world champion. This is something most Russo bashers ignore claiming how he held Triple H down wich is bullshit because Russo was the guy who really gave everybody a chance. To be honest, nobody would give a fuck about him in 1999 and 2000 if he has not became over in 1998 as DX leader thanks to Russo writing. Also, Steve Austin refusing to work with him and put him over played also a major part


GOAT Heel? He is not even in the category with Mr. McMahon, Ric Flair and Hollywood Hogan and it doesn't matter when he went public, it's about when they started seeing each other and even his best buddy Waltman said that it happened earlier
There is no doubt Russo built the groundwork for Triple H's character. You have to wonder what his full plan was for him before he left.
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Re: Did Vince Russo think of Triple H as a top guy

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Hard to say when Triple H was dating the bosses daughter
He was wwf champion before he ever dated steph.
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If a mid carder HHH is talking Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels out of booking decisions instead of blasting him as a politician maybe you guys should be giving him credit for being a very knowledgeable wrestling mind. Sure he's used that in attempt to crush his competition but that's the industry and it's up to Vince to filter that out.

If you ever heard JR talk about what made the Attitude era so great he alludes to guys having a say on their characters and the desire to want to be the guy even at the expense of stomping on your competition.
I don't give him any credit for trying to destroy brets career. That was non of his business.



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