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Old 04-05-2013, 03:38 PM   #191 (permalink)
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I'd personally put Hogan, SCSA, Rock, Savage, and even John Cena over him. He's never been the guy and I really can only think of one high profile passing of the torch match that he's had (SCSA Summerslam 98).

When you look at the list of opponents he hasn't faced at Mania I tend to downgrade the streak as well.

To me he's the best side attraction wrestling has ever seen. Probably 2nd on name recognition too only behind Hogan. Not the GOAT though.


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Old 04-05-2013, 03:45 PM   #192 (permalink)
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Hulk Hogan was reigning champ for 3 years before he faced Andre the Giant at WM 3 in their passing of the torch match.
What "torch" are you even talking about? Michaels was the face of the WWF and Austin beat him IN THE MAIN EVENT OF A WRESTLEMANIA. The torch was passed from that point on and Michaels was pushed as the face of the company going on 3 years at the point he lost the title to Austin after he injured his back. Even Michaels has said this as fact when in one of the DVD's on Austin he claimed that, "There was not a single person in the company that didn't want Steve to be the leader." after he lost to Austin at WM14. Taker passed no torch to no one because he never held a torch to begin with.
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What "torch" are you even talking about? Michaels was the face of the WWF and Austin beat him IN THE MAIN EVENT OF A WRESTLEMANIA. The torch was passed from that point on. Even Michaels has said this as fact when in one of the DVD's on Austin he claimed that, "There was not a single person in the company that didn't want Steve to be the leader." after he lost to Austin at WM14. Taker passed no torch to no one because he never held a torch to begin with.
Once again Hulk Hogan was clearly the face of wrestling at WrestleMania 3 when he defeated Andre. Iron Sheik had already passed him the torch.

What you have to understand is torch is defined by more than 1 person or moment. The new generation did not have a Hogan or Austin like figure. Hart, Taker, Michaels, and Nash were the faces of the generation. 3/4 of those guys were instrumental in establishing Austin while the 4th one bolted to WCW. Hart made him a contender, Michaels made him champ, Taker legitimized his title.

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Old 04-05-2013, 04:09 PM   #194 (permalink)
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Taker legitimized his title.
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The only torch Taker carried was a literal one that his druids carried for him. I also ed at you claiming Austin's title wasn't legitimized by the two title defense victories he had before SS98.

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Undertaker can be in the WWE until he's 80, but he will never be a Rock, Austin or Hogan. FACT.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:12 PM   #196 (permalink)
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The Undertaker didn't pass the torch to anybody, because he never had it to begin with.

Also, he never could be THE man in the industry like an Austin or Hogan, because of his gimmick. It's too supernatural, and you don't really want a dead man to be going on David Letterman every week now do we?

His talent, charisma and work rate (BURN HIM!!!) are top draw though.
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At the end of Summerslam 1998, Undertaker handed Stone Cold the title after losing. So WWE was trying to do a "pass-the-torch" moment here.

I agree with the sentiments already expressed. Austin already had the torch from beating Shawn Michaels. Undertaker didn't "pass" him anything.

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At the end of Summerslam 1998, Undertaker handed Stone Cold the title after losing. So WWE was trying to do a "pass-the-torch" moment here.
Right. It's kind of tough to pass anything when the title that he "handed over" wasn't even his to begin with.

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I agree with the sentiments already expressed. Austin already had the torch from beating Shawn Michaels. Undertaker didn't "pass" him anything.
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At the same time, you could say Taker solidified Austin as the undisputed number 1 guy in the company.
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At the end of Summerslam 1998, Undertaker handed Stone Cold the title after losing. So WWE was trying to do a "pass-the-torch" moment here.

I agree with the sentiments already expressed. Austin already had the torch from beating Shawn Michaels. Undertaker didn't "pass" him anything.

I seem to recall Hogan doing the same for Warrior.

Yes, Austin already had the torch. But it's also true to say Hogan already had the torch when he beat Andre, Cena already had the torch when he beat HHH and Michaels, Rock already had the torch when he beat Hogan, and Cena already had the torch when he faced Rock.

Passing the torch is not limited to Goldberg v Hogan type situations.
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