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Does It Really All Come Down To Vince?

There are lots of things on the program that are basically Vinny Mac. Lets face it, there was a time when this guy had his finger on the pulse of global pop culture 4, 5 years ahead of time. It might not have been his way initially but he embraced it and ANGRY VINCE is one of the greatest heels in one of the greatest eras in pro wrestling.

The old gray mare just ain't what she used to be, right? He actively hurts the company.

After Benoit, this company did a stylistic and intellectual and cultural retreat. It doesn't help matters that Vince is pushing 70. There are Vince Decisions and Vince Moments and they've really hurt the company lately.

John Cena stagnating as a character.
The total failure to elevate a heel or face to top tier status not named Cena.
Burying people with B list PPVs with shoddy, rushed builds and faulty reason to exist.
Over-reliance on prior era and part time talent.
WWE Network disaster
Tout is horrible. Vinny Mac got swindled on this one.
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All of the insufferable, money-bleeding, program-harming movie/show biz shit
Guest Host RAW, which everybody hated
Divas, cruiserweights and tag teams "don't draw" so they're as bad as they've ever been.
The horrible "comedy" segments
Full show scraps and rewrites night of.
Going along with his wife's 8 figure Senate "campaigns"
Three Hour RAW, total disaster. Its way too long and the first hour is almost invariably trash
The commentary situation with Cole/Lawler. Dreadful.

When I look at this I see two things. One, is ego tripping. Just unwarranted arrogance in things they have no business being in. Tout, WWE Network, movies. Just like the bodybuilding, XFL, etc

The second is total risk aversion. This company wasn't afraid to take a risk and it brought it to one of its highest heights. Take the undercard. Things "don't draw" so he never takes a chance on 'em. Cena stagnating as a character is nothing but risk aversion. The decision to keep Lawler around is timidity, cowardice and fondness for sameness and continuity because what if people don't like it? Change is scary!

Okay, you know how every year creative gets a major firing or hiring? They don't create shit except ideas and Vince has the final say over everything. You could hire reanimated Shakespeare and it wouldn't matter if the writing was genius or trash because it all goes through Vince. Fish rot from the head.

WWE would be better off without him. Bring on Trips.

Its time to fuckin'
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Re: Does It Really All Come Down To Vince?

LOL. I think he actually thought Tout would be as big as Facebook and Twitter.


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Re: Does It Really All Come Down To Vince?

The first few weeks it was out was putrid. TOUT TOUT TOUT DID ANYBODY SAY TOUT MAKE THE TOUT VIDEO ABOUT THIS!

Why? Twitter already had a short video function. And if you want to make a 30 second video similar to Dailymotion or Youtube, why wouldn't you just use Dailymotion or Youtube?



I heard the company spent 5 million on that Tout shit.

DAT BUSINESS SAVVY.
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Re: Does It Really All Come Down To Vince?

One of the rather large things that comes down to Vince, is the ability to remove his daughter as head of creative.

It needs to be done, and I don't think he'll do it.

I don't hate Stephanie, by all accounts she's a very nice woman, but how does the fact that she has a communications degree enable her to be a fulltime wrestling booker? It doesn't.

Vince has his choice of established, able bodied, wrestling creative minds at his disposal. Heyman, Ross, Cornette. Any or all can be hired for the role. They're available, and WILL make things better. He won't do it though.

That's the thing that comes down to Vince...that annoys me the most.

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Re: Does It Really All Come Down To Vince?

Good post, I completely agree. Vince is the GOAT but if he doesn't cut this crap out soon he will be the WOAT. HHH is gonna have to take matters in his own hands.

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The first few weeks it was out was putrid. TOUT TOUT TOUT DID ANYBODY SAY TOUT MAKE THE TOUT VIDEO ABOUT THIS!

Why? Twitter already had a short video function. And if you want to make a 30 second video similar to Dailymotion or Youtube, why wouldn't you just use Dailymotion or Youtube?



I heard the company spent 5 million on that Tout shit.

DAT BUSINESS SAVVY.
Lol. They probably hoped it would become big so they can brag that they "discovered" it. That's just how Vince's ego works.

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Re: Does It Really All Come Down To Vince?

You guys have to realize that these points:
-Vince sees dollar signs moreso than quality at times.
-Vince is obsessed with making this WWE universe concept a reality.
-WWE is a political goldmine so certain people have his ear and certain people don't.
-While Vince is the final decision maker, not all these ideas are his. A good portion of these ideas probably come from specific departments and work their way up the hierarchy.

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Imagine what Wrestling Forums would have been saying about Vince during the WBF and Steroid Scandal mixed with the failures of projects like "No Holds Barred"? Everyone would have been shitting on Vince saying he was going to plummet, crash and burn. He didn't though, because he's smarter than us and knows what he is doing. While I agree with there being changes that needed to be made, just remember Vince McMahon has come back from much worse. Don't count the guy out.
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Re: Does It Really All Come Down To Vince?

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One of the rather large things that comes down to Vince, is the ability to remove his daughter as head of creative.

It needs to be done, and I don't think he'll do it.

I don't hate Stephanie, by all accounts she's a very nice woman, but how does the fact that she has a communications degree enable her to be a fulltime wrestling booker? It doesn't.

Vince has his choice of established, able bodied, wrestling creative minds at his disposal. Heyman, Ross, Cornette. Any or all can be hired for the role. They're available, and WILL make things better. He won't do it though.

That's the thing that comes down to Vince...that annoys me the most.
This. That's the thing that is so irritating about WWE. They can be SO much better, they have talent at their disposal, great agents in the back, and veterans that show the young guys the rope, yet they use NONE OF IT. It's like they refuse to get better. I've never understood it.


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Re: Does It Really All Come Down To Vince?

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One of the rather large things that comes down to Vince, is the ability to remove his daughter as head of creative.

It needs to be done, and I don't think he'll do it.

I don't hate Stephanie, by all accounts she's a very nice woman, but how does the fact that she has a communications degree enable her to be a fulltime wrestling booker? It doesn't.

Vince has his choice of established, able bodied, wrestling creative minds at his disposal. Heyman, Ross, Cornette. Any or all can be hired for the role. They're available, and WILL make things better. He won't do it though.

That's the thing that comes down to Vince...that annoys me the most.
Ross loves Swagger, so I don't trust his judgment at all.

Heyman needs more say. I understand it's so cliched that fans who post stuff on the internet adore the guy, but the truth of the matter is, he has one of the most unique minds for the business ever. Heyman is sort of able to see what other people don't. That is why guys like Raven and Punk have thrived with him.

I still think Vince is good, but they need more outside influence. Everything is too in the family and it shows with who gets pushed.


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