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post #61 of 86 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 06:00 PM
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Re: Vince Knows How To Manipulate The Fans

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Ok, they told him to say "WWE would be better off if Vince was dead". You got me.
and also that Triple H is doofus and Stephanie is dumb. He mentioned John Laurinaitis and Laurinaitis debuted weeks later, they basically used Punk and his promo to introduce him to the casual fan by calling him a yes man. He mentioned Heyman and Lesnar and most fans were in this moment "OMG he mentioned two former guys from WWE who left WWE on bad terms. Shit just got real" and some months later both returned to WWE, meaning there was already talk between WWE and those two.
Fans reacted similar when he mentioned Hulk Hogan because he's in TNA but forgot that Vince already used Hogan's name for the WWE All Stars game a couple of months before and they announced the release of No Holds Barred digitally remastered. During that time Vince wanted to make money with two products featuring Hogan so mentioning Hulk was probably something Vince himself wanted.
What would happen if Daniel Bryan calls Stephanie stupid, if Kofi Kingston calls Triple H an idiot or if Zack Ryder says that the company will be better when Vince dies? They would be released on the spot. The Punk promo was 100 percent scripted
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Vince has always been a genius for what he has done for the WWE over the years. But for the last few years its clear that he out of touch with the audience and has definitely run out of ideas in the process.
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The sky is also blue, I heard!

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I'll be waiting for your proof that what he said was from a script.

Also, I wasn't blowing anything out of proportion. They even edited out the part where Cena stands there laughing when they replayed it on Main Event. He had nothing to say and went back to "I'll beat you at Wrestlemania". Your post also implies that you only give Punk crap for repeating himself at times when Cena and Rock do it too (two guys you don't seem to have a problem with). This adds merit to that guy's statement earlier, who said you were posting all of this just to stand out. Nothing that Punk says or does is any worse than Rock or Cena. That's for damn sure.
It was not from a script. But he was clearly given the "okay" to go ahead with it and IIRC from his DVD, they would cut it when they felt he was going too far. It's not like he brought with him a megaphone/mic-not-controlled-by-the-production-crew, by free will sat down on the ramp and started saying whatever he pleased against the company.

Wow, they wisely removed it from the recap. Look how many fucks I give. Still don't see why it was such a huge problem for you that in a 10 minute segment, you pick out 5 seconds of it and keep on complaining about that.

I don't like Cena's character at all and ROCK has degraded his awesomeness in his recent run but I can still listen to them before I'd listen to Punk's whiny ass promos any day of the week. I realize he's a heel, but even as a face I found his promos unbearable when he moved away from the "shooter" character and started being a generic, worse Cena clone only with even worse jokes that don't have the "bizarreness" of Cena's worst PG nonsense.

And I can't take this seriously after you resorted to suggesting that I'm a troll.
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Identity? Nah, I couldn't care less. I'm just myself and I happen to not like Punk very much (or rather, at all). I also have no goal to be some kind of forum #1 heel for Punk fans or anything of that sort. I'm just very vocal in regards to what I think and I guess that makes me stand-out and annoying to some.

I'll be the first to admit that I was supportive of him when I first joined this forum for the first few months. But then as his reign and face run went on, I just grew tired of him and felt that he was nothing more than a one hit wonder who had one great month back in July 2011. I remember even trying to force myself to enjoy seeing him pretend to vomit in the middle of the ring as well as being a hypocrite who idolizes Stone Cold but bashes Chris Brown for beating Rihanna. That said, I only really liked him during that one period and hated him from the first time I laid eyes on him. But now that I think about it, ANYONE would've gotten over with me given that shoot promo - so that was just a one-time fad lasting for a bit longer before I realized that there's nothing special about this guy.

And I would NEVER defend Cena's character. I've just accepted it because he'll never change. And with Cena, he's naturally a favorite of mine so that makes it much easier for me to "accept him for what he is" compared to Punk who has changed the main part of his character several times in the past few years and I only liked one of them ("the kayfabe breaker" that would be).

And next in line? LOL. First of all, I NEVER hated him because he is not a draw. That's just fucking stupid and I don't know why anyone would get that impression from me. Sure, I've argued against him in the ratings topic many times but never was it a reason for me to hate him. Just a fun bonus that would be good material to get under his marks' skin and a justification for why he shouldn't be pushed. The other things you mentioned, they are all part of why I don't like him (except vanilla midget*). He's annoying, he has a terrible look making it not so fun to watch him in the ring and just being boring in general by whining about the same shit every week which his fans eat up every time. And you mentioned not liking his face and I have to say that's another thing. He just has a punchable fans that I can't stand looking at which does him no favors in being liked by me. It's never been displayed any better than in this pic below:



* = I'm a fan of Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero and my favorite wrestle is Chris Benoit. None of them are exactly tall, so I'd be a hypocrite to like them but bash Punk for his size.
This pretty much sums up exactly how I feel too, except I'm not really a Cena fan (not a hater at all either though, since I understand why he doesn't change character).

For me, I liked CM Punk at the same time as everyone else; when he got put against Cena then put over back at MITB 2011. Actually I liked him a bit before that as the New Nexus leader. He had a couple cool/funny moments. Thing is, I expected more from him after he got billed as "the guy", and he didn't deliver.

It wasn't a big deal at first until I began to notice they were trying to book him as a fake Austin (going against HHH), then a "cooler Cena" by getting put in so many "he overcame the odds" type matches (glorified handicap match against Miz and Del Rio, glorified handicap match against Ziggler with Laurinitis as the special guest ref, then glorified handicap/gauntlet match at Elimination Chamber) getting put over every time.

That's when I had enough. It was clear he wasn't that cool rogue element that he first appeared to be, and was just another one of "Vince's choices" as people call them, guised as being something different to generate temporary interest when he just wasn't. It was the same thing in a different wrapper. Upon closer inspection, I didn't like the new wrapper.

In this way though, Vince has done a good job at making fans think Punk was the new era, the new thing, or the harbinger of change. In the end, nothing's changed except Punk's been given tons of spotlight and Cena hasn't had the title since Punk's had it. Not really a big difference to me. It just pulled out Cena and replaced him with Punk, while booking Punk in the same, always winning fashion as Cena.

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I remember a time when you didn't speak so ill of Punk, but when he got the title and the reign started going on past a few months, you just grew more and more to loathe him. Kinda typical, how the IWC turns on one of their darlings.
Have you ever stopped to think people turned on him because he got boring? Or that they expected something much better after he was handed the keys to the show?

Not everything is because IWC turns on everyone. Some people's opinions evolve over time as a person's character and flaws become more apparent.
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OP just went heel.
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and also that Triple H is doofus and Stephanie is dumb. He mentioned John Laurinaitis and Laurinaitis debuted weeks later, they basically used Punk and his promo to introduce him to the casual fan by calling him a yes man. He mentioned Heyman and Lesnar and most fans were in this moment "OMG he mentioned two former guys from WWE who left WWE on bad terms. Shit just got real" and some months later both returned to WWE, meaning there was already talk between WWE and those two.
Fans reacted similar when he mentioned Hulk Hogan because he's in TNA but forgot that Vince already used Hogan's name for the WWE All Stars game a couple of months before and they announced the release of No Holds Barred digitally remastered. During that time Vince wanted to make money with two products featuring Hogan so mentioning Hulk was probably something Vince himself wanted.
What would happen if Daniel Bryan calls Stephanie stupid, if Kofi Kingston calls Triple H an idiot or if Zack Ryder says that the company will be better when Vince dies? They would be released on the spot. The Punk promo was 100 percent scripted
Once again, explain how him mentioning Cabana, ROH, and New Japan was "100 percent scripted" (your words, not mine). With all due respect, please stop talking out of your ass. Giving someone the green light to speak his mind and telling him what to say are two different things.

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It was not from a script. But he was clearly given the "okay" to go ahead with it and IIRC from his DVD, they would cut it when they felt he was going too far. It's not like he brought with him a megaphone/mic-not-controlled-by-the-production-crew, by free will sat down on the ramp and started saying whatever he pleased against the company.

Wow, they wisely removed it from the recap. Look how many fucks I give. Still don't see why it was such a huge problem for you that in a 10 minute segment, you pick out 5 seconds of it and keep on complaining about that.

I don't like Cena's character at all and ROCK has degraded his awesomeness in his recent run but I can still listen to them before I'd listen to Punk's whiny ass promos any day of the week. I realize he's a heel, but even as a face I found his promos unbearable when he moved away from the "shooter" character and started being a generic, worse Cena clone only with even worse jokes that don't have the "bizarreness" of Cena's worst PG nonsense.

And I can't take this seriously after you resorted to suggesting that I'm a troll.
I never disputed that he was given the opportunity to say what was on his mind.

"Yeah, that's some guts to be told to air your grievances freely and doing it per the script of the show"

"It was not from a script"

In case you can't figure it out, those two sentences are saying two completely different things. Your use of the word "script" being the obvious mistake. You turned your words around.

And it wasn't just 5 seconds, it was Cena actually referring to Mike Tyson as "one of the greatest PHILOSOPHERS of our era". That had me laughing pretty hard. The guy is an imbecile and the crowd only popped for The Rock's responses for a reason. Those 5 seconds were just the end of him, as he had nothing left to say and clearly got his ass handed to him.

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I never disputed that he was given the opportunity to say what was on his mind.

"Yeah, that's some guts to be told to air your grievances freely and doing it per the script of the show"

"It was not from a script"

In case you can't figure it out, those two sentences are saying two completely different things. Your use of the word "script" being the obvious mistake. You turned your words around.
What I meant by the "script" in the first quote was the show's layout. The script called for Punk to cost Cena the match with R-Truth then he would be given the green light to say whatever he wanted, none of which were scripted for him to memorize. Understand now?
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The way the promo worked was nailed by Choke2Death. He wasn't told what to say, he was given an okay though.

If DVD is true, Punk was on the verge of leaving after getting screwed out of the WM spot by having Miz take the main event. He felt cheated, and he rightfully should. He was the top heated heel, and was in a huge feud with Cena. Only to have Miz randomly take the spot. Bit random, but whatever. So I think the whole point was Punk just wanted the mic.

He let out all the stress, crowd ate it up. I truly do think if they didn't cut the mic, he would've kept it going a bit more. Now any time after that when they "cut the mic" off him, I do believe was 100 percent scripted. That pipebomb that got him completely over? No. I truly believe he thought of all of that, and was just given the okay. Wouldn't be the first time a wrestler improved.

I'll leave it at that. I realize many people here don't like Punk, I do. Getting in a senseless debate about why we hate/like Punk would be useless.


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