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sharkboy22 · 03-03-2013, 08:27 AM

I could never understand how people could say "Yeah, Storm had no charisma, but he was one of the best wrestlers"

How the fuck can he be one of the best when he had no fucking charisma or personality? The guy was just expressionless and OP, you're right. He made everything look so damn scripted. His matches just looked like he was going through the motions. No facial expressions, nothing. The way he'd run the rope, boring. How he put on a submission hold, boring. Everything sucked about Lance Storm.

Lance is one of the worst wrestlers of all time, for all the reasons mentioned. One of the best my ass. How the fuck could someone be dull and be called a great wrestler? People really put Lance Storm in the same category as Austin? Or Hogan? Or Michaels? Or Taker? Get the fuck out of here. Anyone saying Lnce Storm is a great wrestler is nothing but a 'workrate' mark.

**Wig Splitter** · 03-03-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkboy22

I could never understand how people could say "Yeah, Storm had no charisma, but he was one of the best wrestlers"

How the fuck can he be one of the best when he had no fucking charisma or personality? The guy was just expressionless and OP, you're right. He made everything look so damn scripted. His matches just looked like he was going through the motions. No facial expressions, nothing. The way he'd run the rope, boring. How he put on a submission hold, boring. Everything sucked about Lance Storm.

Lance is one of the worst wrestlers of all time, for all the reasons mentioned. One of the best my ass. How the fuck could someone be dull and be called a great wrestler? People really put Lance Storm in the same category as Austin? Or Hogan? Or Michaels? Or Taker? Get the fuck out of here. Anyone saying Lnce Storm is a great wrestler is nothing but a 'workrate' mark.

wtf this kid

Storm is legit. And a thug.

nevereveragainu · 03-03-2013, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DualShock

This
Especially when Kevin Nash owned him with one single move

writers convenience, nothing more

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How the fuck can he be one of the best when he had no fucking charisma or personality? .

because its a sport

CupofCoffee · 03-03-2013, 08:47 AM

Well, judging from what Chris Jericho writes about him in "A Lion's Tale", he apparently isn't the most entertaining person in real life, either.

He was a decent technical wrestler back in the day (and probably still is), but boy, did this guy ever suck at holding your interest.

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because its a sport

Wrong. To quote the late Jesse Ventura, wrestling is "ballet with violence". The sport aspect is one of the core elements of the craft, but storytelling and entertaining the fans are what it's ultimately all about.

sharkboy22 · 03-03-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nevereveragainu

because its a sport

Dude, if I wanted to watch amateur wrestling I'd watch that. Not a fucking choreographed version of it.

Pure wrestling does not sell. It never did and it never will. Characters are what sells. There's a reaosn why wrestling is in a slump right now. Because nobody is interesting enough to put asses in seats.

Lance Storm is not a GOAT. He's not one of the best and he certainly isn't a great wrestler either. 20 years from now we'd be saying, "Who the fuck was Lance Storm?" He neever put asses in seats, he never made people care.

The concept of a great wrestler has been lost thanks to all the vanilla fucks running around on the indies in their generic black tights with their generic black elbow pads and their generic knee pads, all running around with the same boring-ass "Best Technical Wrestler In The World" and "DEM KICKS BREH!!" shtick.

And as far as Lance's Storm charisma in the ring goes, what fucking charisma? Running the ropes with a blank face? Sitting in an arm bar emotionless? You wanna know someone who couldn't talk worth shit in the ring but let his wrestling do the talking? Chris Benoit. Here's a guy who couldn't talk worth cunt on the mic. But he had charisma in the ring.

Contrary to popular belief, Benoit wasn't a 'workrate' guy. I mean, how many moves did Benoit did in a match? It was the same snap suplex, head butt, northern lights, cross face. That's it. Sure from time to time he'd bust out something nice. But for the most part Benoit was never a thousand moves a match kind of guy. He wasn't all about technical wrestling. Benoit was a great worker. He told stories. He knew how to sell, how to pace a match, when to go into a heat segment, how to make a firey ass comeback. Chris Benoit is a great example of someone who had no charisma on the mic but had it in the ring. Jeff Hardy is another one. Can't talk, but had so much charisma in his CHARACTER and in the ring that he got extremely over.

The point is, no one is going to agree with me. This is the place where vanilla fucks like Storm are celebrated because he's a great technician and a scientific wrestler and all that bullshit in pro wrestling that doesn't mean a damn.

CupofCoffee · 03-03-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkboy22

Dude, if I wanted to watch amateur wrestling I'd watch that. Not a fucking choreographed version of it.

Pure wrestling does not sell. It never did and it never will. Characters are what sells. There's a reaosn why wrestling is in a slump right now. Because nobody is interesting enough to put asses in seats.

Lance Storm is not a GOAT. He's not one of the best and he certainly isn't a great wrestler either. 20 years from now we'd be saying, "Who the fuck was Lance Storm?" He neever put asses in seats, he never made people care.

The concept of a great wrestler has been lost thanks to all the vanilla fucks running around on the indies in their generic black tights with their generic black elbow pads and their generic knee pads, all running around with the same boring-ass "Best Technical Wrestler In The World" and "DEM KICKS BREH!!" shtick.

And as far as Lance's Storm charisma in the ring goes, what fucking charisma? Running the ropes with a blank face? Sitting in an arm bar emotionless? You wanna know someone who couldn't talk worth shit in the ring but let his wrestling do the talking? Chris Benoit. Here's a guy who couldn't talk worth cunt on the mic. But he had charisma in the ring.

Contrary to popular belief, Benoit wasn't a 'workrate' guy. I mean, how many moves did Benoit did in a match? It was the same snap suplex, head butt, northern lights, cross face. That's it. Sure from time to time he'd bust out something nice. But for the most part Benoit was never a thousand moves a match kind of guy. He wasn't all about technical wrestling. Benoit was a great worker. He told stories. He knew how to sell, how to pace a match, when to go into a heat segment, how to make a firey ass comeback. Chris Benoit is a great example of someone who had no charisma on the mic but had it in the ring. Jeff Hardy is another one. Can't talk, but had so much charisma in his CHARACTER and in the ring that he got extremely over.

This.

**Wig Splitter** · 03-03-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkboy22

Dude, if I wanted to watch amateur wrestling I'd watch that. Not a fucking choreographed version of it.

Pure wrestling does not sell. It never did and it never will. Characters are what sells. There's a reaosn why wrestling is in a slump right now. Because nobody is interesting enough to put asses in seats.

Lance Storm is not a GOAT. He's not one of the best and he certainly isn't a great wrestler either. 20 years from now we'd be saying, "Who the fuck was Lance Storm?" He neever put asses in seats, he never made people care.

The concept of a great wrestler has been lost thanks to all the vanilla fucks running around on the indies in their generic black tights with their generic black elbow pads and their generic knee pads, all running around with the same boring-ass "Best Technical Wrestler In The World" and "DEM KICKS BREH!!" shtick.

And as far as Lance's Storm charisma in the ring goes, what fucking charisma? Running the ropes with a blank face? Sitting in an arm bar emotionless? You wanna know someone who couldn't talk worth shit in the ring but let his wrestling do the talking? Chris Benoit. Here's a guy who couldn't talk worth cunt on the mic. But he had charisma in the ring.

Contrary to popular belief, Benoit wasn't a 'workrate' guy. I mean, how many moves did Benoit did in a match? It was the same snap suplex, head butt, northern lights, cross face. That's it. Sure from time to time he'd bust out something nice. But for the most part Benoit was never a thousand moves a match kind of guy. He wasn't all about technical wrestling. Benoit was a great worker. He told stories. He knew how to sell, how to pace a match, when to go into a heat segment, how to make a firey ass comeback. Chris Benoit is a great example of someone who had no charisma on the mic but had it in the ring. Jeff Hardy is another one. Can't talk, but had so much charisma in his CHARACTER and in the ring that he got extremely over.

The point is, no one is going to agree with me. This is the place where vanilla fucks like Storm are celebrated because he's a great technician and a scientific wrestler and all that bullshit in pro wrestling that doesn't mean a damn.

Benoit wasn't a workrate guy? He wasn't about technical wrestling? He didn't have a wide arsenal? What have you been sniffing? Benoit was pretty much the definition of all those things. It looks like you got some weird notion in your head that all those things can't co-exist with things like charisma, storytelling or in-ring presence. Benoit had all of those in abundance, that's what made him so incredible, his impecable wrestling technique coupled with great psychology, intensity, wicked moveset and innovation.

Regarding Storm, if you can't recognize what kind of a talented worker this man was then you are either blind, trolling or never saw a single match of his. Guy had all the character and charisma of a wet burlap bag but he was goddamn amazing in the ring. His matches with RVD and Lynn in ECW are the stuff of legends kid, look it up.

Also, did Nick Mondo molest you as a child? Beat you with a 2x4? You're raising some flashing red flags bro.

nevereveragainu · 03-03-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkboy22

Dude, if I wanted to watch amateur wrestling I'd watch that. Not a fucking choreographed version of it.

Pure wrestling does not sell. It never did and it never will. Characters are what sells. There's a reaosn why wrestling is in a slump right now. Because nobody is interesting enough to put asses in seats.

Lance Storm is not a GOAT. He's not one of the best and he certainly isn't a great wrestler either. 20 years from now we'd be saying, "Who the fuck was Lance Storm?" He neever put asses in seats, he never made people care.

The concept of a great wrestler has been lost thanks to all the vanilla fucks running around on the indies in their generic black tights with their generic black elbow pads and their generic knee pads, all running around with the same boring-ass "Best Technical Wrestler In The World" and "DEM KICKS BREH!!" shtick.

And as far as Lance's Storm charisma in the ring goes, what fucking charisma? Running the ropes with a blank face? Sitting in an arm bar emotionless? You wanna know someone who couldn't talk worth shit in the ring but let his wrestling do the talking? Chris Benoit. Here's a guy who couldn't talk worth cunt on the mic. But he had charisma in the ring.

Contrary to popular belief, Benoit wasn't a 'workrate' guy. I mean, how many moves did Benoit did in a match? It was the same snap suplex, head butt, northern lights, cross face. That's it. Sure from time to time he'd bust out something nice. But for the most part Benoit was never a thousand moves a match kind of guy. He wasn't all about technical wrestling. Benoit was a great worker. He told stories. He knew how to sell, how to pace a match, when to go into a heat segment, how to make a firey ass comeback. Chris Benoit is a great example of someone who had no charisma on the mic but had it in the ring. Jeff Hardy is another one. Can't talk, but had so much charisma in his CHARACTER and in the ring that he got extremely over..

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Originally Posted by CupofCoffee

Well, judging from what Chris Jericho writes about him in "A Lion's Tale", he apparently isn't the most entertaining person in real life, either.

He was a decent technical wrestler back in the day (and probably still is), but boy, did this guy ever suck at holding your interest.

Wrong. To quote the late Jesse Ventura, wrestling is "ballet with violence". The sport aspect is one of the core elements of the craft, but storytelling and entertaining the fans are what it's ultimately all about.

hate to disappoint you three shmucks but if ice dancing and gymnastics can be considered sports so can wrestling

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Originally Posted by sharkboy22

The point is, no one is going to agree with me. This is the place where vanilla fucks like Storm are celebrated because he's a great technician and a scientific wrestler and all that bullshit in pro wrestling that doesn't mean a damn.

isn't that kinda like saying a fire-fighter doesn't mean a damn 'cause only his family sings his praises?

besides the internet is supposed to help plug that hole up

**That's irrelevant** · 03-03-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkboy22

Dude, if I wanted to watch amateur wrestling I'd watch that. Not a fucking choreographed version of it.

Pure wrestling does not sell. It never did and it never will. Characters are what sells. There's a reaosn why wrestling is in a slump right now. Because nobody is interesting enough to put asses in seats.

Lance Storm is not a GOAT. He's not one of the best and he certainly isn't a great wrestler either. 20 years from now we'd be saying, "Who the fuck was Lance Storm?" He neever put asses in seats, he never made people care.

The concept of a great wrestler has been lost thanks to all the vanilla fucks running around on the indies in their generic black tights with their generic black elbow pads and their generic knee pads, all running around with the same boring-ass "Best Technical Wrestler In The World" and "DEM KICKS BREH!!" shtick.

And as far as Lance's Storm charisma in the ring goes, what fucking charisma? Running the ropes with a blank face? Sitting in an arm bar emotionless? You wanna know someone who couldn't talk worth shit in the ring but let his wrestling do the talking? Chris Benoit. Here's a guy who couldn't talk worth cunt on the mic. But he had charisma in the ring.

Contrary to popular belief, Benoit wasn't a 'workrate' guy. I mean, how many moves did Benoit did in a match? It was the same snap suplex, head butt, northern lights, cross face. That's it. Sure from time to time he'd bust out something nice. But for the most part Benoit was never a thousand moves a match kind of guy. He wasn't all about technical wrestling. Benoit was a great worker. He told stories. He knew how to sell, how to pace a match, when to go into a heat segment, how to make a firey ass comeback. Chris Benoit is a great example of someone who had no charisma on the mic but had it in the ring. Jeff Hardy is another one. Can't talk, but had so much charisma in his CHARACTER and in the ring that he got extremely over.

The point is, no one is going to agree with me. This is the place where vanilla fucks like Storm are celebrated because he's a great technician and a scientific wrestler and all that bullshit in pro wrestling that doesn't mean a damn.

**ShowStopper '97** · 03-03-2013, 09:23 AM

Yeah, who needs some guys that are actually somewhat talented in the ring...in wrestling? Fuck them!