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Old 03-02-2013, 05:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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No. It isnt. The number 1 rule of business is to make money

You just pretend you give a shit about the consumer long enough to take their money. After that nobody gives a fuck what happens to them

Vince doesnt need to try because he found a sustainable cycle to generate a ton of money over a long time.
You cannot make money if you do not have the consumer. If you don't have a consumer to buy your product, how can you make money?
Example if you owned a restaurant and had the best food around, if you treat your customers like crap, they are not going to come back and you are going to go out of business.

There is a reason why the most successful businesses always treat their customers the best.

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Ziggler and Angle aren't comparable, this is like saying Aries is now better than HBK and HHH.
The attitude era guys are doing their last solid matches before retirement, it's unfair to expect them to be as good as aries/ziggler.

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You cannot make money if you do not have the consumer. If you don't have a consumer to buy your product, how can you make money?
Example if you owned a restaurant and had the best food around, if you treat your customers like crap, they are not going to come back and you are going to go out of business.

There is a reason why the most successful businesses always treat their customers the best.

Since when good product = money? It's all about the hype machine, that's the one thing WWE does that TNA don't.

The biggest douchy corporations like EA and etc. always get what they want.
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You cannot make money if you do not have the consumer. If you don't have a consumer to buy your product, how can you make money?
Example if you owned a restaurant and had the best food around, if you treat your customers like crap, they are not going to come back and you are going to go out of business.

There is a reason why the most successful businesses always treat their customers the best.
What about the fast food and tobacco industries

They make billions and they more or less kill their consumers
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Ziggler and Angle aren't comparable, this is like saying Aries is now better than HBK and HHH.
The attitude era guys are doing their last solid matches before retirement, it's unfair to expect them to be as good as aries/ziggler.
I agree that is why I am saying I would take Ziggler over how Angle is now.
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:07 PM   #36 (permalink)
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What about the fast food and tobacco industries

They make billions and they more or less kill their consumers
Terrible example to make your point because for one they have tons of competition with other fast food and cigerette companies. So you are proving my point. There is tons of competition in those markets and they make billions. And they dont treat their consumers like crap. Look at how kid friendly Mc Donlads is for example.

You are making my point for me about competition being good for the top dogs. All you have to do is google competition good for business and you will see that I am right.

Anyone who thinks competition is bad for business is doomed to fail

the best thing that could happen to the WWE would be for TNA to be a threat. The WWE made their most money and had their highest ratings when WCW was a threat.

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Now you said you do not watch TNA that much, I do not either. I probably watch it as much as you. A few matches here and there. But are you talking about Angle now or an Angle in his prime. I would take an Angle in his prime over Ziggler sure. But Angle is one injury away from being done or even paralyzed.

If you were starting a wrestling company, would you really choose Angle over Ziggler now?

I would pick Angle for these reasons: 1. People who quit watching wrestling would be more interested in Angle (an old face) then Ziggler (they know nothing about) 2. Both TNA & WWE fans know who he is. There is nothing to say a die hard TNA fan would know who Ziggler is.

Ziggler is great at making the other guy look great by putting him over, not a lot of wrestlers can do that. I can count on one hand how many can do that in the WWE (Ziggler, Bryan, Punk and Ambrose).

Can't disagree here, but i would add a few more names.

Maybe since the WWE is jobbing Ziggler so much he just says screw it and over bumps everything. Ziggler when he wants to sells perfectly. Its just like when HBK fought Hogan he oversold for the match.

Which is not the way to go, im sure Vince & his BoD prefer professionalism. A match against Hogan warrants overselling everything, you HAVE to make him look good.

Angle was great in his prime and he is still pretty good, but IMO Ziggler at this point is just bette and has a huge upside. If the WWE would book Ziggler like they book Cena or even how TNA books Angle, maybe you would see things differently.

Overall, i would say Angle is sharper then Ziggler, his suplexes still look pretty brutal which has kept with his character throughout. Someone posted a video on here the other day, which i think suits this perfectly. It was Scott Hall, Terry Funk & some others in a room, Scott Hall said Funk gave him some good advice ' If your too good at jobbing, you will forever be a jobber' (paraprashing of course) So Ziggler will not progress if he thinks over-selling is a good thing, if anything its hindering him, because they know they can feed to him to anyone & make them look amazing.

But Ziggler is just as good on the mic as Angle IMO and Ziggler still has a lot to learn yes, but just look at how far Kurt as come since being a rookie.
I don't remember a good Ziggler promo, i don't remember rooting for him, hating him, laughing etc etc. On the other hand, Angle playing the guitar & singing to Vince is still very fresh in my mind & still makes me laugh when i see it again. You are correct, Ziggler has many years ahead of him & can learn a hell of alot, he could easily use a 'Ravishing' gimmick if it wern't for his lack of charisma (IMO)

My question though, if it is how you say & he oversells because he is jobbed out, what does he do if he gets his push? Stop over selling? Cause at the moment all people say to me, in regards to Ziggler, is he is good at selling, which he is to an extent. Where does he go from here then?
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:22 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I don't remember a good Ziggler promo, i don't remember rooting for him, hating him, laughing etc etc. On the other hand, Angle playing the guitar & singing to Vince is still very fresh in my mind & still makes me laugh when i see it again. You are correct, Ziggler has many years ahead of him & can learn a hell of alot, he could easily use a 'Ravishing' gimmick if it wern't for his lack of charisma (IMO)

My question though, if it is how you say & he oversells because he is jobbed out, what does he do if he gets his push? Stop over selling? Cause at the moment all people say to me, in regards to Ziggler, is he is good at selling, which he is to an extent. Where does he go from here then?
Ziggler is a great seller, he has recently just been overselling probably because he is sick of being jobbed out. I think Ziggler has a ton of charisma but he is being misused by giving him managers. IMO Ziggler would greatly benefit from a face turn. I think he would be way better as a face since he is so cocky and he needs to lose all his managers and let him cut his own promos.

Ziggler reminds me of a young Shawn Michaels (when he was in the rockers) and we all saw how far HBK came from those early days.
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Ziggler is a great seller, he has recently just been overselling probably because he is sick of being jobbed out. I think Ziggler has a ton of charisma but he is being misused by giving him managers. IMO Ziggler would greatly benefit from a face turn. I think he would be way better as a face since he is so cocky and he needs to lose all his managers and let him cut his own promos.

Ziggler reminds me of a young Shawn Michaels (when he was in the rockers) and we all saw how far HBK came from those early days.
You are right that he would be better as a face, as he is quite clearly not suited to be a heel.

He would do wonders as an underdog, thats when his over selling would come in handy i suppose.
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You are right that he would be better as a face, as he is quite clearly not suited to be a heel.

He would do wonders as an underdog, thats when his over selling would come in handy i suppose.
I would like to see him face Jericho at WM, and maybe have it where Big E causes Ziggler to lose, so Ziggler turns on Big E and AJ and starts a feud with them as a face.
I think it would be a good way to kick off his face turn with over coming the odds and beating Big E at extreme rules ( I think that is the PPV after WM)

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