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2ndComingY2J · 01-30-2013, 12:08 AM

Example HBK vs. Taker the 1st encounter at Mania, which is regarded as a 5 star match. Technically it wasnt anything special, but it had the audience emotionally invested one because both were faces and are legends so its hard to pick sides. The second was the suprise factor and the multiple finishing moves exchanges. What was it, like 2 or 3 SCM for Taker, and HBK took a couple chokeslams, kicked out of a tombstone and other stuff.

Taker vs. HHH at WM27 was another one, Taker kicked out of like three fucking pedigrees and a Tombstone yet in the end won the match. Did this make it better? Of course it did, the suspense factor was high up and the audience were able to legit suspend their beliefs. If Im using that term correctly.

Another example recently was NOC Cena vs. Punk. Now this is jsut taking it to the extreme, you had a heel Punk kick out of two AAs, get out of multiple STFS, and then Superman Cena kicked out of two GTS and a fucking Rock Bottom. This was a wrestlemania caliber match, just for that fact alone...the trading finishers and all the near falls.

Now lets look at a match like Punk vs. Rock. A lot of people are criticizing this match and I believe I know why. Punk did not even nail Rock with ONE GTS. I mean, seriously? The Rock hit him with the peoples elbow, and the finish was his patented spinebuster/peoples elbow combination. Even Cena kicked out of one of these at Mania. I thought it would take like two rock Bottoms and then a Peoples elbow to knock off Punk. I figured Rock would kick out of at least one GTS, get out of a few Anaconda Vises. MAJOR DISAPOINTMENT of a match.

So what is your take on this?

MANTI TEO · 01-30-2013, 01:02 AM

Trade Marking Finishers is LAME because its all the WWE does.

The trademark finisher should be the go to move but other moves should knock people out from time to time.

**Geeve** · 01-30-2013, 02:14 AM

Only if it's not abused, and not a string in a few minutes time. In tough long matches kicking out of non-finishers can have the same effect if the wrestlers are good at storytelling and reading the crowd.

Jon_Snow · 01-30-2013, 04:35 AM

I agree OP. I wonder why all of Taker vs. HBK matches, Taker vs. HHH are said so great, whereas they all just traded punches and kicked out finishers. To be honest, I enjoy watching Jeff Hardy's match with anyone even though I'm not a fan of his.

ashes11 · 01-30-2013, 04:38 AM

Yes, but these matches should only really happen at Wrestlemania, it emphasises that it's the grandest stage, and that they will up their game that extra 10% to ensure they get that huge victory at Wrestlemania.

**JOAL.com** · 01-30-2013, 10:15 AM

you thought Shawn vs Taker was nothing special and just trading finishers?

and thought the same about Punk vs Cena?

wow

I really dont know what to say to that

Kurt Angle is right to spend all his time hitting finishers then, apparently the majority of the audience cant see what psychology and storytelling are anyways

IRISHwhip78 · 01-30-2013, 10:34 AM

Yes trading finsihers makes a match better. We've become conditions that the match is over when Taker hits the Tombstone, Punk hits the GTS, Hogan drops the leg.

yoseftigger · 01-30-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 2ndComingY2J

Example HBK vs. Taker the 1st encounter at Mania, which is regarded as a 5 star match. Technically it wasnt anything special, but it had the audience emotionally invested one because both were faces and are legends so its hard to pick sides. The second was the suprise factor and the multiple finishing moves exchanges. What was it, like 2 or 3 SCM for Taker, and HBK took a couple chokeslams, kicked out of a tombstone and other stuff.

Taker vs. HHH at WM27 was another one, Taker kicked out of like three fucking pedigrees and a Tombstone yet in the end won the match. Did this make it better? Of course it did, the suspense factor was high up and the audience were able to legit suspend their beliefs. If Im using that term correctly.

Another example recently was NOC Cena vs. Punk. Now this is jsut taking it to the extreme, you had a heel Punk kick out of two AAs, get out of multiple STFS, and then Superman Cena kicked out of two GTS and a fucking Rock Bottom. This was a wrestlemania caliber match, just for that fact alone...the trading finishers and all the near falls.

Now lets look at a match like Punk vs. Rock. A lot of people are criticizing this match and I believe I know why. Punk did not even nail Rock with ONE GTS. I mean, seriously? The Rock hit him with the peoples elbow, and the finish was his patented spinebuster/peoples elbow combination. Even Cena kicked out of one of these at Mania. I thought it would take like two rock Bottoms and then a Peoples elbow to knock off Punk. I figured Rock would kick out of at least one GTS, get out of a few Anaconda Vises. MAJOR DISAPOINTMENT of a match.

So what is your take on this?

There was only 2 SCM and 2 Tombstones. Chokeslam/Last Ride are not finishers atm.

Anyways, how about the dive over the top rope until the count of 9? The moonsault by HBK? The cat and mouse game early on?

For Cena vs Punk, the way Cena tried to hit the five knuckle shuffle multiple times and Punk kept countering until Cena stopped taunting beforehand. Or the way Cena completed a suicide dive similar to Punk. Or all the counters between Cena and Punk because they know each other all so well.

DAT PSYCHOLOGY...

Look at Angle's matches if you want to see an abuse of finishers.

**Abk™** · 01-30-2013, 10:55 AM

Like one of the posters above said, only if it's not abused. I'd love to see wrestlers kick out of each others finishers at least once each in a top match. It adds a lot to the match. Makes you legit doubt who's going to win and all that if you're watching live especially in unpredictable circumstances like say the first CM Punk vs Ryback PPV match. Virtually everyone couldn't predict the winner and how the WWE would go about it. Just an example though.

I'd take the Taker/HBK trading finishers over Cena/Punk because of the event. It was Wrestle-Fucking-Mania. The latter seemed a bit like an overkill IMO.

In The Rock/CM Punk case, I think the main reason why they didn't go that far is because a rematch at Elimination Chamber was pretty much set in stone so they kinda don't want to give everything away. Even at that though, the match should have been very much better.

**Dexter Morgan** · 01-30-2013, 10:56 AM

I think trading finishers should be a rare thing, and only with the right two guys. However, it doesn't make a match better.

Punk/Cena is a good example. They have great chemistry and the finisher spot works for their matches. If either were to face Rock, then no. Rock is not a great counter man. Just an example.