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Old 01-30-2013, 01:15 AM   #11 (permalink)
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if Smackdown isn't going to be a live show and on equal footing with Raw then no to the brand split
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:45 AM   #12 (permalink)
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im gonna take the roster and randomly put them on, starting with the big guys, then the mid carders ect.
this isn't how it should be, just an exmaple that it CAN be done. Especially if they are bringing back midcarders still


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Sheamus
Daniel Bryan
Kane
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Seth Rollins
Roman Reigns
Jey Uso
Jimmy Uso
Carlito
Mark Henry
Tyson Kidd
Evan Bourne
Santino Marella
Darren Young
Titus O Neil
Ted Dibiase
Brodus Clay
Tensai
Alex Riley
Brad Maddox
Big E Langston
Yoshi Tatsu
Percy Watson
Bray Wyatt
Erick Rowan
Luke Harper
Kassius Ohno
Xaiver Woods

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CM Punk
Randy Orton
Ryback
The Big Show
Cody Rhodes
Damien Sandow
Antonio Cesaro
Kofi Kingston
Christian
The Miz
Rey Mysterio
Sin Cara
Epico
Primo
MVP
Shelton Benjamin
Jack Swagger
Justin Gabriel
David Otunga
Zach Ryder
Heath Slater
Jinder Mahal
Drew McnTyre
R-Truth
Johnny "Fandango" Curtis
Michael McGillicutty
Great Khali
Hunico
Camachoo
Bo Dallas
Adrian Beville
Derrick Bateman
Conor O Brian
Leo Krueger
Richie Steamboat
Corey Craves

yeah. they can easily do it.
and still be able to release many talents, have back ups for injuries ect... idk they're lazy asses don't keep it going. wwe has ALOT of employees. when was the last time a firing spree took place.


[B]hopefully[/b] this shows people that the roster is much bigger than one might think. especially if they are signing a bunch of indy guys like el generico ect.

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Old 01-30-2013, 02:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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im gonna take the roster and randomly put them on, starting with the big guys, then the mid carders ect.
this isn't how it should be, just an exmaple that it CAN be done. Especially if they are bringing back midcarders still


Raw
John Cena
Dolph Ziggler
Sheamus
Daniel Bryan
Kane
Wade Barrett
Alberto Del Rio
Chris Jericho
Dean Ambrose
Seth Rollins
Roman Reigns

Jey Uso
Jimmy Uso
Carlito
Mark Henry
Tyson Kidd
Evan Bourne
Santino Marella
Darren Young
Titus O Neil
Ted Dibiase
Brodus Clay
Tensai
Alex Riley
Brad Maddox
Big E Langston
Yoshi Tatsu
Percy Watson
Bray Wyatt
Erick Rowan
Luke Harper
Kassius Ohno
Xaiver Woods


Smackdown
CM Punk
Randy Orton
Ryback
The Big Show
Cody Rhodes
Damien Sandow
Antonio Cesaro
Kofi Kingston
Christian
The Miz
Rey Mysterio
Sin Cara

Epico
Primo
MVP
Shelton Benjamin
Jack Swagger
Justin Gabriel
David Otunga
Zach Ryder
Heath Slater
Jinder Mahal
Drew McnTyre
R-Truth
Johnny "Fandango" Curtis
Michael McGillicutty
Great Khali
Hunico
Camachoo
Bo Dallas
Adrian Beville
Derrick Bateman
Conor O Brian
Leo Krueger
Richie Steamboat
Corey Craves


yeah. they can easily do it.
and still be able to release many talents, have back ups for injuries ect... idk they're lazy asses don't keep it going. wwe has ALOT of employees. when was the last time a firing spree took place.


[B]hopefully[/b] this shows people that the roster is much bigger than one might think. especially if they are signing a bunch of indy guys like el generico ect.
In bold are the wrestlers ppl care about (and I'm including wrestlers I don't care about), not in bold are the ones ppl don't care about. Raw is 3 hours long, and then there's SD; if they need to give new guys exposure, like all the great guys in NXT, they have space to give them. If they want to use the spots for showcasing new guys, they can do it, if they don't want to, they don't have to. They should be able to use all their best talent on both Raw and SD every week. No matter how good the roster is, the brand extension can only make sense for hardcore fans. Casual fans watch Monday Night Raw. So, you have to put your top stars on Raw, or you're not using them. Same goes for SmackDown; hardcore fans might make up a larger proportion of SD's viewership than Raw's, but casual fans are still the big difference maker in ratings.

You can always use time on the shows to showcase new talent, there's no rule saying WWE has to use the same wrestlers each show each week. The only major benefit that the brand extension brought with regard to opportunities and exposure is two world titles. No matter how beneficial the brand extension is for increased roster spots, it simply comes at the expense of entertainment. Practically look at what the brand extension means: Batista and Undertaker not being on Raw 99% of the time, and in your division split, Orton and Punk not being on Raw 99% of the time. That means less viewers.

Raw alone is 3 hours long, Raw + SD used to be 4 hours, and now the roster is much thinner than it was when the brand extension started in 2002. Raw struggles now to fill up time with great wrestlers, that will be even harder without CM Punk and Randy Orton.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:54 AM   #14 (permalink)
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In bold are the wrestlers ppl care about (and I'm including wrestlers I don't care about), not in bold are the ones ppl don't care about. Raw is 3 hours long, and then there's SD; if they need to give new guys exposure, like all the great guys in NXT, they have space to give them. If they want to use the spots for showcasing new guys, they can do it, if they don't want to, they don't have to. They should be able to use all their best talent on both Raw and SD every week. No matter how good the roster is, the brand extension can only make sense for hardcore fans. Casual fans watch Monday Night Raw. So, you have to put your top stars on Raw, or you're not using them. Same goes for SmackDown; hardcore fans might make up a larger proportion of SD's viewership than Raw's, but casual fans are still the big difference maker in ratings.

You can always use time on the shows to showcase new talent, there's no rule saying WWE has to use the same wrestlers each show each week. The only major benefit that the brand extension brought with regard to opportunities and exposure is two world titles. No matter how beneficial the brand extension is for increased roster spots, it simply comes at the expense of entertainment. Practically look at what the brand extension means: Batista and Undertaker not being on Raw 99% of the time, and in your division split, Orton and Punk not being on Raw 99% of the time. That means less viewers.

Raw alone is 3 hours long, Raw + SD used to be 4 hours, and now the roster is much thinner than it was when the brand extension started in 2002. Raw struggles now to fill up time with great wrestlers, that will be even harder without CM Punk and Randy Orton.
How is Raw for the casual fans and Smackdown for the hardcore fans? Their main group of viewers is young children who aren't even awake at 11PM. Little kids don't go out every Friday night. The reason Smackdown is behind Raw isn't because it is for hardcore fan, it's because it sucks! It's basically just Raw replays now. Also it's stupid to say the split rosters caused Eddie to not be on Raw because without Smackdown he would have never been a star. Raw was being ran by HHH and everybody knows nobody got over during that time except HHH's friends. Edge, Benoit, and Cena were over but only because they did it on Smackdown and then got drafted.

Keep the big stars on Raw and let Smackdown make it's on stars and be the better show like before.
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I had been waiting for the split to end for a while, because it opens the door to more feuds. The roster isn't deep enough right now to pull it off. There's a reason towards the end of the true split in 2008/2009 one of the two shows was always terrible due to its roster. Right now they have a group of guys that generally perform only on SD or RAW, and that's fine. They could perhaps pull it off and then actually stick to it, but they would need to be willing to push new guys and put them over someone like Cena 'cause otherwise RAW would be boring as fuck. The problem is the writers, they are clearly lazy these days, and a brand split requires them to be more creative.
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For the life of me I just don't understand why people want "The Brand Extension" or split or whatever. I swear people that think its a good idea only started watching post 03.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:27 PM   #17 (permalink)
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firstly

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ITS CALLED A TAG TEAM DIVISION, YOU KNOW, IMPLYING THAT MULTIPLE MEN CAN SHARE THE SAME SPOTLIGHT, MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION
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How is Raw for the casual fans and Smackdown for the hardcore fans? Their main group of viewers is young children who aren't even awake at 11PM. Little kids don't go out every Friday night. The reason Smackdown is behind Raw isn't because it is for hardcore fan, it's because it sucks! It's basically just Raw replays now. Also it's stupid to say the split rosters caused Eddie to not be on Raw because without Smackdown he would have never been a star. Raw was being ran by HHH and everybody knows nobody got over during that time except HHH's friends. Edge, Benoit, and Cena were over but only because they did it on Smackdown and then got drafted.

Keep the big stars on Raw and let Smackdown make it's on stars and be the better show like before.
Raw has always had higher ratings than SmackDown, from the beginning, before the brand extension (and before the move to Fridays, one of the worst nights for TV ratings). Hence, we can generally say that whomever watches SD also watches Raw. So, the difference in viewers are the ppl who just watch Raw, or are at least a lot more likely to watch Raw than SD: I call them casual fans. Maybe if you watch Raw every single wk but never SD, you shouldn't be called a casual fan, but that's not my pt. My pt is there are ppl who judge the product just based on Raw, or are at least only willing to watch Raw, and THOSE fans miss out on major stars when those stars don't appear on Raw. Those fans that only watch Raw barely got to see Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, Eddie Guerrero, Kurt Angle, Edge Batista, etc. That just doesn't make sense.

Judging by the higher ratings, there are ppl who every now and then tune into Monday Night Raw, and might stay watching and tune in next wk, or say "I don't care about David Otunga" and don't tune in again for a yr or half a yr or w/e. The higher the chance that they see someone that entertains them, the higher the chance they'll continue to watch. I hope they see Sheamus or Randy Orton, and not David Otunga.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:36 PM   #19 (permalink)
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For the life of me I just don't understand why people want "The Brand Extension" or split or whatever. I swear people that think its a good idea only started watching post 03.
It happened before 2003. I guess you don't realize that it was around in 2002 when Taker and Lesnar had the epic HIAC, HBK returned, first Elimination Chamber, The second greatest TLC match ever was on Raw. The first two years of the brand extension were the best, not post 2003.
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The ratings are already bad enough. I think the WWE knows better not to kill them even more. Not enough star power to have two strong and separate shows without relying on the other brands top stars.

It was nice though 10 years ago, when Raw was terrible, and Smackdown was just far better. Now Smackdown is kinda hard to watch.
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