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Old 01-29-2013, 05:24 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Default Re: The hard question (20+ year old fans only please).

Its a mixed bag for me. I will never enjoy wrestling how i did back in 2001, before i became a smart fan who could predit it all. But now i appreciate things i didnt back then like mid card guys trying to reach the top spots, how good people are at storytelling/selling etc and things like that.

When it comes to how predictable and unimaginative the product is, yes its very disheartening and makes me feel like i watch just for nostalgia purposes now. But being able to bet real money on a product i can predict easily certainly softens the blow
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:12 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Default Re: The hard question (20+ year old fans only please).

In the past, the midcarders and the lowcarders (currently called jobbers) could shine or at least look credible. They were never totally buried and wasted. Creatives had more possibilities to draft storylines.

I may add that the current wrestling is more storytelling than wrestling, crappy comedy takes so much space that you don't have time during the show to "build" many wrestlers.

Which means that you don't have enough time to transform jobbers into meaningful midcarders and midcarders into iconic stars.It can only happen if one natural born and charismatic wrestler appears (Cesaro).

Fewer iconic stars + more jobbers -> more predictable + bored iconic stars (Cena).

The roster ranking doesn't change much and you get a feeling of eternal recurrence.

The solution would be to let all wrestlers wrestle and to let iconic superstars lose cleanly to jobbers or midcarders.

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Old 01-29-2013, 07:33 AM   #93 (permalink)
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I think wrestling has lost its "cool", and it's really not about PG.
by cool you mean appealing to the brainless a****oles who used to beat up and take the lunch money of actual wrestling fans, so yeah cool should have nothing to do with it

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In my opinion what's ruined wrestling for me and probably most of you is signing up to a forum. ?
no it hasn't, its nice to converse with other fans, i just dont make it the rule of my fandom

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I really think if we were all still ignorant marks we'd enjoy the program a lot more.
yeah i too would like plenty of stuff made by horrible people and or that isn't worth the price of admission if i didnt have a fully functional brain or mind. Since i don't f*** that notion that ignorance being in any way good
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Instead every element of the show is dissected just to illustrate the negative effect it produced by each and every person and it's always been like that even in the earlier forums in AE time.
well there needs to multitudes of evidense as to why something isn't worth the time or money or allowance to continue or grow, you can even make a living and career out of that online, so its not all bad

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That's pretty much what I mean, one person has a negative opinion and it is snowballed through other users. It's to the point now it's just out of habit to hate the product. I mean for fuck's sake, we just had THE ROCK vs. CM PUNK yesterday and people still don't appreciate it. There's no way a mark would be complaining.
dude its okay to agree with other if the evidence is right there for all to see and make all the important realisations(check my sig for further details). If you hate something only just because of the people around it then chances are you have self essteem issues that need sorting out

my friend if people dont appriate it then there must be areason a method to the madness

and if it is bad, i didnt watch or even seek out the details so i wouldn't know, then ITS A GOOD THINK WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING WITHOUT JUSTICE IS OKAY?! for craps sake "mark" is a dirogatry term
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This. Wrestling fans on the internet will make you feel bad for liking an episode that was "bad"

And the product really isn't as predictable as people think. Its only predictable because people go on the internet and spend hours trying to figure out what will happen while reading spoilers. It was unpredictable in the Attitude Era because internet was still a new thing.
dude maybe they have a good reason to why i would make you feel that way, its like how its been recently discovered that PSY did an obscure hate speech about the US army and how he wants to kill their families so yeah its hard not to feel bad when you watch or listen to Gangham Style because of it

dude, this is supposed to be a sport at the end of the day, the right thing would or should happen anyway, the journey should be as much fan as the conclusion
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Its a mixed bag for me. I will never enjoy wrestling how i did back in 2001, before i became a smart fan who could predit it all. But now i appreciate things i didnt back then like mid card guys trying to reach the top spots, how good people are at storytelling/selling etc and things like that.
if anything being a smark has enhanced my experiance as a wrestlng fan becasue i wasn't having the wool over my eyes anymore and i now know how to be pro active

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Old 01-29-2013, 08:51 AM   #94 (permalink)
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:54 AM   #95 (permalink)
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Default Re: The hard question (20+ year old fans only please).

Watching most segments, I do feel like I am too old for it. Especially when they show us shit like Brodus Clay coming out and putting on that circus of a show.

Luckily I have TIVO so I've had the luxury of being able to fast forward through all the shitty parts. It's really about a 45 minute show (30 minutes on some weeks) when you skip the garbage parts and watch what is tolerable.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:07 AM   #96 (permalink)
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Default Re: The hard question (20+ year old fans only please).

I am 29 years old, there are times wher eI feel I am getting to old for it all but the WWE does give our age group some good things to watch, the thing about being a family company is you got to make everyone happy and I feel WWE does do that, there is some things you are going to hate and some things you are going to like. What matters is the parts you like don't make you feel old.

I remember being around 10 - 15 around the New Generation Era, looking back on that makes me fel old, if that era was today I would have stopped watching. I do feel it catered to me alot more then though.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:31 AM   #97 (permalink)
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I'm 22, and I love the current product tbh. I mean, sure. It could always be better. It's never the best. But I've loved it my entire life thus far, and it's basically become a part of who I am. I can't just up and stop watching it because of the results or our PG era. I love the wrestling itself. Always have, always will. Can't imagine my life without it.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:34 AM   #98 (permalink)
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I'm 23 years old and been watching WWE since Late '97. All I can say is I never seen this product suffer from terrible booking this badly. Thank god for DVR. I can just fast forward pointless segments/matches. I only watch for Punk/Bryan/Ziggler/Jericho.
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Default Re: The hard question (20+ year old fans only please).

I'm 24, I've watched wrestling my entire life.

I don't think I'm getting too old. I think the current product sucks. I could go down the list, but it comes down to creative and the writers. They are terrible. I still enjoy Rock and Jericho's segments the same way I did years ago. These writers, this team they have had for the past few years needs to go.

The dumb comedy they do is horrendous and embarrassing.

Who the hell came up with the idea of putting Tensai in lingerie and having him dance in front of millions worldwide?

Seriously who comes up with this garbage!??



Sanz Punk and Bryan, the new WWE has no style. That's the problem.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:41 AM   #100 (permalink)
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Default Re: The hard question (20+ year old fans only please).

At times, yeah I feel like I'm too old for some of the shit going on now. Definitely too old to buy into John Cena as the top guy. But on the other hand my interest gets kept by someone like CM Punk who's a complete wrestling fan and totally appeals to fans of our generation. Plus they have heavily invested in the old guard that I loved back in the day like The Rock and Brock to keep me interested.

I can honestly say from 2011 onwards if there was no CM Punk, Rock or Brock involvement I'd probably have switched off by now... maybe tuning in for The Rumble and Mania. Nothing else.

As far as predictability goes... yeah when you've watched wrestling as long as some of us older guys have - you do get a knack for predicting exactly what's gonna happen. But I like trying to figure out where it's gonna go and sometimes I'm so right it's scary and sometimes I'm wrong.

Like last night - sat watching Raw on my own - soon as they mention Paul Heyman might get fired by Vince tonight... and the fact Rock was out on hour 2, leaving the Vince/Heyman segment to close - I immediately said to myself "Vince will get interrupted during his YOU'RRREEE FIRRRRRRRRRRRED by Brock's music". Low and behold.
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