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Old 01-26-2013, 12:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Why was Stone Cold stale during 00-01 face run?

A lot of fans felt that way during that time. And a lot of members here feel that way still. Why do you think he was stale?
In his book he did mention that after coming back things were different and scripts were handed out to him and everybody else and that he followed them to blend into the changed wwe backstage environment. Could this be why? His promo style was different for sure and lacked a stone cold 98 factor which I can't pinpoint. Was it a lack of confidence? We'll never know.

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Old 01-26-2013, 12:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why was Stone Cold stale during 00-01 face run?

I actually didn't find him stale in 2000-early 2001. He used to get great reactions from the crowd each night.

I think his heel turn was preemptive. He was trying to prevent himself becoming stale before he actually became stale.

Another factor is the roster and potential feuds. As a face, who could Austin feud with? There were:
  1. Angle, Benoit, and Jericho (None of whom were big stars as yet, and they were getting stale as heels)
  2. HHH (which he did and finished before Wrestlemania X7)
  3. Vince McMahon (Feud that had been done to death)
  4. Heel Rock (Done already in 1998 and 1999.)
  5. Heel Undertaker (Done already in 1998-1999)
  6. Heel Kane (Done already in 1998-1999)
  7. Heel Mick Foley (Done already in 1998)
So there wasn't much for him to do as a face.

Look at what he had as a heel:
  1. The shock value of him joining McMahon.
  2. Feuds with face Undertaker, face Rock, face Kane, face HHH, etc.
  3. He also gets to change up his character's personality.

Let's face it - on paper, Stone Cold as a heel was 1000 times more interesting than Stone Cold as a face. In practice, it just didn't work out well. That happens.
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Default Re: Why was Stone Cold stale during 00-01 face run?

I never found him stale till 2002
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Default Re: Why was Stone Cold stale during 00-01 face run?

Agreed with others.

Never thought he was stale during that time.
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Default Re: Why was Stone Cold stale during 00-01 face run?

Well really, what did they do with him in that time?

That run was like four or five months right? He feuded with Triple H and then worked with Rock into Mania before turning heel. That's right when I started watching WWE and I certainly enjoyed it.
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Default Re: Why was Stone Cold stale during 00-01 face run?

He wasn't
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Default Re: Why was Stone Cold stale during 00-01 face run?

I don't know anyone who found him stale in 00-01 it's just Rock had replaced him as the top guy. Austin was still great and he really didn't crater until 02, hell even his heel turn had it moments although some people on here make it seem like one of the worst ever.
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Default Re: Why was Stone Cold stale during 00-01 face run?

He wasn't. He was fresh again and was on fire when he came back in late '00. His feud with Triple H and The Rock were awesome.
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He was stale in the fall of '99 to me and The Rock was already on the rise to be the man regardless, contrary to Austin Mark Revisionist history. But I don't want to turn this into a Austin/Rock war, it's just the fact the Rock was fresher and more interesting by that time. I actually think Austin was fresher when he returned in the fans eyes than he was right before he left, and it bought him some time. I loved his heel turn and became a big fan during that time. If not for The Rock not being around I think it would have worked out better.


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I actually didn't find him stale in 2000-early 2001. He used to get great reactions from the crowd each night.

I think his heel turn was preemptive. He was trying to prevent himself becoming stale before he actually became stale.

Another factor is the roster and potential feuds. As a face, who could Austin feud with? There were:
  1. Angle, Benoit, and Jericho (None of whom were big stars as yet, and they were getting stale as heels)
  2. HHH (which he did and finished before Wrestlemania X7)
  3. Vince McMahon (Feud that had been done to death)
  4. Heel Rock (Done already in 1998 and 1999.)
  5. Heel Undertaker (Done already in 1998-1999)
  6. Heel Kane (Done already in 1998-1999)
  7. Heel Mick Foley (Done already in 1998)
So there wasn't much for him to do as a face.

Look at what he had as a heel:
  1. The shock value of him joining McMahon.
  2. Feuds with face Undertaker, face Rock, face Kane, face HHH, etc.
  3. He also gets to change up his character's personality.

Let's face it - on paper, Stone Cold as a heel was 1000 times more interesting than Stone Cold as a face. In practice, it just didn't work out well. That happens.
I disagree. It was blatantly obvious that turning Austin into a heel wouldn't work. His face character was already a cheater, a bully, an outlaw, a backstabber and just about everything else you'd expect right out of the "How to be a heel" handbook. Essentially, he had been a heel that was the most popular act in wrestling since 1997... Basically, what we're left with is having Austin be the "heel" in matches against "faces" that he was massively more popular than.

And the new wrinkles they added were completely counter to the pillars of the "Stone Cold" Steve Austin character. Now, instead of the toughest SOB in the WWE, he was a coward? Now he's siding with WCW, when hating WCW was a fundamental aspect of "Stone Cold?" It was very illogical and stupid. Also, the What chants nearly ruined wrestling.
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