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Old 01-25-2013, 09:00 PM   #41 (permalink)
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What a load of garbage.

Considering Angle was hurt so often when he was working, I don't know how you can say he didn't sell stuff that happened to him masterfully. You don't have to act much to sell a fucked up neck when yours is legit fucked up. His facials were awesome, as well. The man was a pure natural.

And you would be hard pressed to find someone who displayed the last second kick out better than Kurt. The man would literally get his shoulder up at 2 9/10s of a second, he was so good at it. Ankle Lock? Easy as hell to apply, so it comes out of nowhere to build up that fear factor. Then when the situation requires it, he traps the guy in a scissors to prevent him from crawling away. So I am stunned that you'd try and say that Bryan murders him. Not once in anything he's done in the WWE has Bryan displayed anything like 'masterful' ring psychology, as you put it. The stories he tells are so mundane and boring, and they're always the same damn thing over and over.

Better at timing his comebacks as a face...again, wrong. Angle was a better heel for sure, but watch any of his matches with Austin in 2001, or against Brock in 2003. The guy could transfer from being the face in distress into an upperhand position seamlessly and convincingly when the match seemed lost. Don't see D-Blowhard doing that...

Its also funny that you say that Bryan can get amazing matches out of mediocre opponents. With the exception of his match with Punk at OTL, which was quite solid, and his match with Sheamus at ER, there is not one match he's had in the WWE that has been anything above mediocre. You want to talk about routine, with the same stupid move combos over and over again. Kick kick, Irish Whip, front drop kick, 50 more kicks, LeBell Lock attempt, more kicks, occasional submission move like Mexican Surfboard, more kicks, and then he either loses or he gets the LeBell Lock in and wins. Its so unbelievably predictable and boring that his matches aren't entertaining at all to watch. I can literally sit there and call what's coming next.

Like...have you even watched an Angle match?

Oh wait let me guess...Bryan was so much better in the Indies...

Absolutely nothing Bryan has done in his WWE tenure has made me think he's anywhere near as great as anyone says he is. All I've seen is that he's a slightly above average performer with an incredibly obnoxious character right now. In ring, I will name 50 more entertaining guys off the top of my head right now. My signature says what it does for a reason-Bryan marks are so irritating when trying to defend a guy who they can't clue in and see is totally plain and regular. They HAVE to hype him up like Jesus or something, and its so unwarranted. I've never understood the praise, so in my eyes, he's absolutely the most overrated guy.
Bryan/Henry - Steel cage
Bryan/Ziggler - BR '10
Bryan/Miz - NOC '10
Bryan/Ziggler - Raw '10
Bryan/Henry - SD '11
Bryan/Barrett - SS '11
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Bryan/Punk - SD '12
Bryan/Morrison/Miz - HIAC '10
Bryan/Sheamus - Raw '12
Bryan/Cena - Raw '12
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Give this a look for starters plz.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:02 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Oh wait let me guess...Bryan was so much better in the Indies...

Absolutely nothing Bryan has done in his WWE tenure has made me think he's anywhere near as great as anyone says he is. All I've seen is that he's a slightly above average performer with an incredibly obnoxious character right now. In ring, I will name 50 more entertaining guys off the top of my head right now. My signature says what it does for a reason-Bryan marks are so irritating when trying to defend a guy who they can't clue in and see is totally plain and regular. They HAVE to hype him up like Jesus or something, and its so unwarranted. I've never understood the praise, so in my eyes, he's absolutely the most overrated guy.
But you're overlooking the possibility that he isn't exactly getting many opportunities to pull off "great" matches at the moment. Most of his matches in WWE either weren't given enough time or more specifically, are limited due to the role they have him playing. He's in a comedy act right now which is Team Hell No and I don't think you can expect him to pull off 5 star matches when he's tagging back and forth with Kane in 10 minute matches.

Why are you disregarding his work in the indies? it basically serves as proof that the guy is one of the best workers in the whole world. I know he's in the WWE now but you seem to be blaming a lot of things on him that most likely aren't in his control. I doubt he's the one who wants to have short matches with the same formula in all of them. He spent 10 years putting on wrestling clinics for a reason. I'd say that he's done very well with what he's been given for right now.
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and I dont think you understand how much better bryan is no matter how good angle was.
Interesting that you make such blanket statements and can't back them up without referring to his long past glory days in companies where he was seen by almost no one.

Also interesting that for someone who is lauded as being so good, he sure doesn't show it in the current company he's in.

I honestly don't know why I click on threads like this, the marks will just gather in for another circle jerk and spew a bunch of lame beliefs as proven facts to help them convince themselves that their messiah is mediocre in every fashion.
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I'll give my reasoning for putting Bryan above Angle. Despite really liking some of Angle's matches, he has tons of matches that are literally just moves. Spamming finishers and doing moves for the sake of it. I feel that in most of Bryan's matches there's a much stronger pace and more of a story being told/moves have reasoning to them.
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Bryan/Henry - Steel cage
Bryan/Ziggler - BR '10
Bryan/Miz - NOC '10
Bryan/Ziggler - Raw '10
Bryan/Henry - SD '11
Bryan/Barrett - SS '11
Bryan/Punk - Raw '12
Bryan/Punk - SD '12
Bryan/Morrison/Miz - HIAC '10
Bryan/Sheamus - Raw '12
Bryan/Cena - Raw '12
Bryan/Mysterio - Raw '12

Give this a look for starters plz.
Seen them. Wasn't impressed by any. They seemed highly average, and again, same old Bryan bullshit. Kick kick kick, that's all he does.

I'll never understand why someone who is apparently so talented in the ring gets saddled with a confined move set. That's Vince for you.

And I'm not a blind hater-I gave Bryan a chance for I don't know how long, and went back and watched his earlier stuff from WWE, and some of his RoH stuff. The man just does NOT do it for me, and the praise he receives I find so perplexing. Its like everyone laughing about a joke, and you sit there wondering why its funny because you don't get it. That's me and Bryan.
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Interesting that you make such blanket statements and can't back them up without referring to his long past glory days in companies where he was seen by almost no one.

Also interesting that for someone who is lauded as being so good, he sure doesn't show it in the current company he's in.

I honestly don't know why I click on threads like this, the marks will just gather in for another circle jerk and spew a bunch of lame beliefs as proven facts to help them convince themselves that their messiah is mediocre in every fashion.
your dislike for him is so blind its honestly frightening.

if he pulled off all the amazing stuff that he can easily do in the wwe right now he would make everyone in the company look pathetic. he HAS to water himself down to not make it just look silly.

no i dont think hes the best in history of wrestling, but saying that there are 50 people someone can name off the top off their head that are better? thats a freakin joke
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Dolph Ziggler is the most overrated, it's not even close. No charisma, no mic skills, absolutely ZERO presence on screen, pretty good in ring wrestler, not great, VERY overrated. His matches aren't even that good, people comparing him to Shawn Michaels is LUDICROUS. The ONLY thing that he really has going for him is his ability to sell and take stupid, stupid bumps, and yet he's probably actually done the impossible and overtaken Bryan as the IWC favourite.

Bryan at LEAST has some charisma and can be funny in a midcard role. Not to mention is 10 BILLION times the in ring performer that Dolph is, or ever will be. At least there's merit to why people think he's so great. With Dolph, he's just an empty shell of a performer. In a way, his story is actually kind of admirable because here's a guy who has to overcompensate for not being an apt WWE superstar by working his ASS off like nobody else, and refusing to stay down even though he deserves to be down. It sends a good message to people, if you're not fit for something but you love it, just work hard, you may suck at it but you could still get somewhere based on initiative. That's an admirable quality.

Admirable, but fucking BORING and overrated, and he makes decent wrestling fans suffer because of it. If only a real talent had his commitment, but of course, it's always the losers, because real talents don't NEED to work that hard.
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Dolph Ziggler is the most overrated, it's not even close. No charisma, no mic skills, absolutely ZERO presence on screen, pretty good in ring wrestler, not great, VERY overrated. His matches aren't even that good, people comparing him to Shawn Michaels is LUDICROUS. The ONLY thing that he really has going for him is his ability to sell and take stupid, stupid bumps, and yet he's probably actually done the impossible and overtaken Bryan as the IWC favourite.

Bryan at LEAST has some charisma and can be funny in a midcard role. Not to mention is 10 BILLION times the in ring performer that Dolph is, or ever will be. At least there's merit to why people think he's so great. With Dolph, he's just an empty shell of a performer. In a way, his story is actually kind of admirable because here's a guy who has to overcompensate for not being an apt WWE superstar by working his ASS off like nobody else, and refusing to stay down even though he deserves to be down. It sends a good message to people, if you're not fit for something but you love it, just work hard, you may suck at it but you could still get somewhere based on initiative. That's an admirable quality.

Admirable, but fucking BORING and overrated, and he makes decent wrestling fans suffer because of it. If only a real talent had his commitment, but of course, it's always the losers, because real talents don't NEED to work that hard.


Bryan is miles more overrated on here than ziggler ....
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You're a fucking idiot. Bryan Danielson is arguably the greatest pro wrestler of all time. His ROH 05-06 title reign is legendary, he's had more classic matches in his career than almost anyone, that includes guys like Kobashi, Misawa, Flair, and HBK. He isn't put in many positions where he could put on amazing matches every night like he did on the indies, but he makes the most out of what WWE gives him. He's the best in the world and one of the best of all time. Period. End of discussion.
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