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Old 01-25-2013, 07:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't hate Bryan. He's probably the best in ring wrestler wwe has, and i think hes a top midcarder/ emergency main eventer. Maybe win another world title..... BUT I can't take him serious as a face of the company/facing Brock lesnar. Bryan still has no mic skills to be a main guy in wwe. He's also getting fat which isn't good he needs to get back in shape. How many 5 star matches has he had?? Only 2 IMO. Extreme rules with sheamus and MITB with punk.
I bet you're just watching WWE right?
His matches with Punk and Sheamus were no 5 star matches.HELL NO.His match with CM Punk at MITB was just above 4 stars and his match with Sheamus(imo) not even close.

Personaly...Bryan Danielson was my favorite wrestler until I stopped watching indies(last year).I lived his entire ROH career and I assure you that he's deserving everything he gets.He might be a small fish now in the WWE,but he has worked his ass off to get there.

You said that you don't hate him,so we can agree on his positives.He's one heck of a competitor and kind of funny sometimes.I assure you that they have not let him do all his funny stuff yet.
All this "YES!/NO!" thing was way over with the fans!



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Now, you can like Bryan and all, but how can you not sayhe's overrated in the IWC?? Again I DON'T HATE BRYAN.
I think that the IWC is mostly consisted of smarks and indy fans right?(I'm asking mainly,cause i might be 25 but I have an internet connection the last 3 years).
That's the reason the IWC loves him,i guess.
Back in his indie carreer,there wasn't a single indy fan that didn't love Bryan Danielson.Even when he was a heel.
This guy is amazing.Personaly I don't like his current name,but he's ok with the ring attire and the moveset and all of this.They didn't cut his character too much in the WWE.





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Ridiculous. I've heard it all

"Bryan could be face of the company"
No one can say it for sure right now.
WWE is in a transitional situation in this stage.Superstar that "fed" our generation,like HHH,Taker,HBK,etc retired or will retire soon enough.
The company is in the hands of John Cena,Randy Orton,CM Punk,Sheamus and a few others at the moment.
The future belongs to Dolph Ziggler,Wade Barrett,The Miz,and I would like to thing guys like Danielson.
So,as of right now,Daniel Bryan cannot be the face of the company.Is up to the future to prove us wrong though.



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"Bryan should face Brock"
Hmmm....no.A technician and a brawler wouldn't fit in well together.Unlikely pair(imo).



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"Bryan should be wwe champion"
Despite I'm a big fan of his,I know what's good for him and he SHOULDN'T be WWE Champion right now.
I tell you what. Nowadays,the WHC is way underrated.I have realised that they give this belt to superstars that we all know they're never gonna win the WWE title(like Swagger,Khali or Henry),or either to superstars for keeping them "warm" until they go for the big one(like Dolph Ziggler and I believe Daniel Bryan).I firmly believe he's not gonna win the WWE title at all,but even if he is supposed to,I think he should have a few more WHC runs before that happens.



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"bryan is better than Shawn Michaels"

That's not true.No one's gonna be HBK,ever again.Shawn Michaels was one of a kind,and you can't compare this kind of legends with any current wrestler.
Shawn Michaels was Danielson's mentor though!


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"Bryan is better than Kurt angle"

Another "can't say right now" situation.
Kurt Angle has achieved a lot and alongside Chris Benoit and Bret Hart,he's the best technician of his generation.He has a 2 or 3 years carreer ahead of him though(imo) and Danielson has a minimum of 7 years.So,when both men's carreers are over,then we should judge.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:52 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Default Re: Daniel Bryan: most overrated wrestler in the IWC

Bryan is the best in the ring

Bryan can cut promos that connect with the crowd

Bryan is over with the crowd

What more do you want?
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:29 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Daniel Bryan is sort of like the new Chris Jericho, a comedy main carder usually featured in the upper midcard. Jericho was never the face of the company and never really got a solid run with any world title, it will likely be the same with Danielson.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:38 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Ridiculous. I've heard it all

"Bryan could be face of the company"

"Bryan should face Brock"

"Bryan should be wwe champion"

"bryan is better than Shawn Michaels"

"Bryan is better than Kurt angle"


First off, if this thread gets deleted it'll prove that it doesn't wanna hear anything negative about Bryan and that it's full of Bryan marks... I'm making points here.

I don't hate Bryan. He's probably the best in ring wrestler wwe has, and i think hes a top midcarder/ emergency main eventer. Maybe win another world title..... BUT I can't take him serious as a face of the company/facing Brock lesnar. Bryan still has no mic skills to be a main guy in wwe. He's also getting fat which isn't good he needs to get back in shape. How many 5 star matches has he had?? Only 2 IMO. Extreme rules with sheamus and MITB with punk.

How people are saying he's better than angle and Michaels is absolutely laughable.


Now, you can like Bryan and all, but how can you not sayhe's overrated in the IWC?? Again I DON'T HATE BRYAN.
A lot of what you say I can understand 100%. His mic-skills are not amazing but they are a very polar topic, where some will like and "get", and others will hate and "not get".

As far as the bolded part. He IS better as a WRESTLER than Michaels and Angle for sure when you consider his FULL body of work, not just WWE. Look at ROH, Dragon Gate, Pro Wrestling Noah, etc.. and see how many matches he had that were 4 stars or above, and you'll notice that over 95% of his matches are which validates why critical wrestling sites like "Wrestling Observer" has given him "Best Technical Wrestler" from 2004-2013, and "Most Outstanding Wrestler" from 2005-2010.
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Default Re: Daniel Bryan: most overrated wrestler in the IWC

So you don't like him? Cool man, doesn't mean that other people can't rate him highly.

His archive of ring work is arguably better than anyone in the company. So I personally don't see how he's overrated. Not going to say just in the IWC because I refuse to degrade myself using that term and generalizing a whole group of people.
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He's not actually. Yeah, some people think he's way better than he really is, but in terms of overall consensus, I think most just think he's worth a bit more than he's being booked as right now.

Top 5? Okay. . .I'll give you that. #1? Def not. The #1 guy is far and away above whoever's #2.

Bryan is good though, and imo probably should be used a bit more.
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Daniel Bryan is sort of like the new Chris Jericho, a comedy main carder usually featured in the upper midcard. Jericho was never the face of the company and never really got a solid run with any world title, it will likely be the same with Danielson.
Yes, and there are many guys who'd LOVE to have the career that Jericho had. This comparison has crossed my mind in the past and I think I'd be ok with it for Bryan. It's just kind of weird to me to see arguably the best wrestler in the world not get a huge push in the top company. I'm not saying he's ready to be the "face" of the company or anything, but he definitely belongs in the main event scene, in my opinion.
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Better seller, better at timing his offense and comebacks as a face, better at working interesting control segments as a heel, all around better performer between the ropes. Don't even need to mention in-ring psychology. Bryan murders Angle in that department. Bryan's ability to get top notch matches out of mediocre opponents is testament to how good he is. He's the best wrestler (talking strictly ring work) WWE has had since Benoit and Guerrero.

Angle was great at times but at no point in his career has he grasped the concept of putting together a wrestling match and working it as psychologically sound and compelling as Daniel Bryan. Actually now that I think about it, I don't recall any GREAT Kurt Angle matches where he's the better worker in the match.
What a load of garbage.

Considering Angle was hurt so often when he was working, I don't know how you can say he didn't sell stuff that happened to him masterfully. You don't have to act much to sell a fucked up neck when yours is legit fucked up. His facials were awesome, as well. The man was a pure natural.

And you would be hard pressed to find someone who displayed the last second kick out better than Kurt. The man would literally get his shoulder up at 2 9/10s of a second, he was so good at it. Ankle Lock? Easy as hell to apply, so it comes out of nowhere to build up that fear factor. Then when the situation requires it, he traps the guy in a scissors to prevent him from crawling away. So I am stunned that you'd try and say that Bryan murders him. Not once in anything he's done in the WWE has Bryan displayed anything like 'masterful' ring psychology, as you put it. The stories he tells are so mundane and boring, and they're always the same damn thing over and over.

Better at timing his comebacks as a face...again, wrong. Angle was a better heel for sure, but watch any of his matches with Austin in 2001, or against Brock in 2003. The guy could transfer from being the face in distress into an upperhand position seamlessly and convincingly when the match seemed lost. Don't see D-Blowhard doing that...

Its also funny that you say that Bryan can get amazing matches out of mediocre opponents. With the exception of his match with Punk at OTL, which was quite solid, and his match with Sheamus at ER, there is not one match he's had in the WWE that has been anything above mediocre. You want to talk about routine, with the same stupid move combos over and over again. Kick kick, Irish Whip, front drop kick, 50 more kicks, LeBell Lock attempt, more kicks, occasional submission move like Mexican Surfboard, more kicks, and then he either loses or he gets the LeBell Lock in and wins. Its so unbelievably predictable and boring that his matches aren't entertaining at all to watch. I can literally sit there and call what's coming next.

Like...have you even watched an Angle match?

Oh wait let me guess...Bryan was so much better in the Indies...

Absolutely nothing Bryan has done in his WWE tenure has made me think he's anywhere near as great as anyone says he is. All I've seen is that he's a slightly above average performer with an incredibly obnoxious character right now. In ring, I will name 50 more entertaining guys off the top of my head right now. My signature says what it does for a reason-Bryan marks are so irritating when trying to defend a guy who they can't clue in and see is totally plain and regular. They HAVE to hype him up like Jesus or something, and its so unwarranted. I've never understood the praise, so in my eyes, he's absolutely the most overrated guy.
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please explain? I think you don't know how great Kurt was....
and I dont think you understand how much better bryan is no matter how good angle was.
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A lot of what you say I can understand 100%. His mic-skills are not amazing but they are a very polar topic, where some will like and "get", and others will hate and "not get".

As far as the bolded part. He IS better as a WRESTLER than Michaels and Angle for sure when you consider his FULL body of work, not just WWE. Look at ROH, Dragon Gate, Pro Wrestling Noah, etc.. and see how many matches he had that were 4 stars or above, and you'll notice that over 95% of his matches are which validates why critical wrestling sites like "Wrestling Observer" has given him "Best Technical Wrestler" from 2004-2013, and "Most Outstanding Wrestler" from 2005-2010.
So his best work is contained in organizations not readily available to the main stream audience, so instead we get saddled with the current shit to try and tell us why he's the best. How convenient.

His WWE run has been so uneventful. Its like saying "so and so is a great actor, but you only have to watch certain movies and ignore these other ones." Well gee, that's a little close minded. However great he was in the Indies, he's been sub par in WWE, and that's where he's getting exposure. Too bad we don't get to see those skills in a Raw ring...
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