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Old 01-25-2013, 03:06 PM   #141 (permalink)
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He didn't get himself over. He got pushed to the moon and back.
No he wasn't pushed to the moon. He lost all of his important matches and was put through 6 tables in 2 1/2 months.

The only actual "push" he ever got was CM Punk bouncing from the ring a few times so Ryback didn't touch him. You can't call the title matches a "push to the moon" when he lost them all.

You're just throwing that term around to be melodramatic and exaggerate the fact that he was only used as a temporary replacement for an injured guy (Cena). Ryback never had a chance of winning and was booked to lose every step of the way.

You don't seem to know what "being pushed to the moon" means. Last time I checked, it actually included winning important matches, not losing them all and being repeatedly put through tables to appease the fans who hate him.

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I've noticed Cena fans damn near everywhere think this same thing. They hate great workers like Kidd, love horrible workers like Ryback. Go figure.
I don't think he's a Cena fan.

He's a WWE fan who wants to be excited and entertained when he watches the show, not be like "hmmm yes, that's a nice maneuver", but otherwise have the same stern look on his face throughout the show since there was nothing to mark out for.

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How in God's name is John Cena third most charismatic when half the fans hate his guts even though he's supposed to be the top babyface? And heck, if this week's Raw is any indicator, a lot of them don't even have the energy to react to him anymore.
It's not actually "half", it's just that the people who hate him are the loudest and most obnoxious fans of the lot, so they whine about him the most and are the main people who chant negative chants.

I'd guess it's closer to 15-20% that hate him, not 50%.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:06 PM   #142 (permalink)
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At least Tanahashi main evented Tokyo Dome twice in a year (45,000+ people). Not to mention at least 4 legit MOTYCs.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:09 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Better for who? For the people who voted, who are 95% hardcore smarks, who're biased to the type of wrestling NJPW does: no theatrics, "wrestling as sport". That's why you have pure workers like Tyson Kidd winning awards. But I'm not defending WWE as a whole and I'm sure NJPW puts on a good wrestling show. The thing that bothers me is Tanahashi winning Wrestler of the Year over a guy like CM Punk who's been carrying the number 1 wrestling company in the world (by a long margin) on his back. Look at the amount of work CM Punk does and what Tanahashi does: 3 hour RAW, big PPV every single month, three house-shows a week and the ocasional Smackdown. It's simply too big a difference between the work of the two.
I'm a big CM Punk fan, but haven't the ratings gone down during his title reign? Also, someone else beat me to the punch, but the guy only truly main events when Cena is injured, or if he's facing Cena. Guy is phenomenal, but it's tough to say that he is carrying the company on his back.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:21 PM   #144 (permalink)
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No he wasn't pushed to the moon. He lost all of his important matches and was put through 6 tables in 2 1/2 months.

The only actual "push" he ever got was CM Punk bouncing from the ring a few times so Ryback didn't touch him. You can't call the title matches a "push to the moon" when he lost them all.

You're just throwing that term around to be melodramatic and exaggerate the fact that he was only used as a temporary replacement for an injured guy (Cena). Ryback never had a chance of winning and was booked to lose every step of the way.

You don't seem to know what "being pushed to the moon" means. Last time I checked, it actually included winning important matches, not losing them all and being repeatedly put through tables to appease the fans who hate him.
I think what he means when he says "Ryback was pushed to the moon" was that Ryback comes on TV, wins all of his matches, and in roughly a six month period, he's in the main event. Obviously he was on NXT and has been in developmental for over 6 years, but still, as far as being on TV, that's a very quick time compared to some of the other guys who finally get main event pushes.

As for losing "his big matches".... hasn't he only been pinned once? And with interference from the ref? I may be wrong here, but Cena got pinned in the triple threat, Punk climbed a ladder to beat him a few weeks back, and prior to that Daniel Bryan got pinned in his 3 man tag team match.

That being said, while Ryback may not do something like end the Undertaker's wrestlemania streak, I do think the guy has received a VERY strong push.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:28 PM   #145 (permalink)
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The thing that bothers me is Tanahashi winning Wrestler of the Year over a guy like CM Punk who's been carrying the number 1 wrestling company in the world (by a long margin) on his back
As if Cena doesn't exist. Amazing.
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Better for who? For the people who voted, who are 95% hardcore smarks, who're biased to the type of wrestling NJPW does: no theatrics, "wrestling as sport". That's why you have pure workers like Tyson Kidd winning awards. But I'm not defending WWE as a whole and I'm sure NJPW puts on a good wrestling show. The thing that bothers me is Tanahashi winning Wrestler of the Year over a guy like CM Punk who's been carrying the number 1 wrestling company in the world (by a long margin) on his back. Look at the amount of work CM Punk does and what Tanahashi does: 3 hour RAW, big PPV every single month, three house-shows a week and the ocasional Smackdown. It's simply too big a difference between the work of the two.
The reason why people voted for Tanahashi over Punk is that Tanahashi was better pushed in his promotion than Punk in WWE and Tanahashi had more great matches than Punk in 2012.

There is no puro bias among the voters. NJPW was simply better than WWE and TNA in 2012 in terms of quality of big shows, number of great matches and creating a new star. If there was puro bias among the voters then NJPW wouldn't have won worst promotion in 2004 and 2005.

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Old 01-25-2013, 03:47 PM   #147 (permalink)
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:50 PM   #148 (permalink)
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ok where to start. no theatrics? have you ever watched NJPW? obviously not b/c Okada for instance especially uses heavy theatrics from his entrance to his matches. Tanahashi is the same way. i'm not even a biased puro fan in the slightest. i watched about 3 shows in 2012. all were NJPW shows and all were high quality from start to finish.

at this point i'm guessing you're trolling since you're claiming Punk carried the #1 wrestling company in the world on his back when Punk was the #2 babyface in the company for the majority of the year. he didn't main event a single PPV besides TLC 2011 until John Cena was put in a match with him. Cena carried the company on PPV this year, which was up. Punk wasn't carrying shit. this is coming from an actual huge Punk mark too. don't lie to yourself. Tanahashi on the other hand is the legitimate top guy in the top promotion in Japan. has been the top guy all year when their business has grown, main events have produced and show quality was fantastic. Punk also had the stigma of being a ratings killer for quite some time this year.
Theatrics as in "CAGE MATCH", "TUXEDO MATCH", "OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE LEADING TO DQ OR UNFAIR WIN", "REFEREE BUMP", "SANTINO'S COBRA SOCK", "EVERY GUY CLAPPING HIS HANDS OR STOMPING HIS FEET BEFORE HE HITS HIS FINISHER", not to mention over the top storylines and cartoonish characters. Just because Okada had an old lady sing before his entrance at the biggest show of the year and Lance Archer came out in a motorcycle doesn't take way from the fact that NJPW is basically old-school puroresu. I've seen more elaborate entrances than those in MMA ffs (youtube Tom Lawlor and Mayhem Miller).

Wasn't NJPW sold last year for like 5 million dollars? That shows you how important the "number 1 promotion in Japan" is. I've seen horrible soccer players get transfered for the double of that. Tanahashi is in a spot where he has basically no opposition (TENSAI's old partner Karl Anderson is his next contender if I'm not mistaken, for example) and little responsability. He has the complete support of the company behind him. Punk has carried the company since Summerslam and when Cena was briefly injured he had 3 segments per RAW to fill time. A guy like Punk, who has been killing it on the mic, having good to great matches on a regular basis and, most importantly, being the champion for the entire year in a super competitive environment like the WWE, a position full of responsabilities in which you have to deliver at the highest level at all times, is absolutely phenomenal. 99% of the people who voted for Tanahashi don't even understand a word he said during the entire year and voted for him simply because he had a lot of **** star matches. To me, the Wrestler of the Year should be the guy who had the most impact on wrestling as a whole during that year and that person, 9 times out of 10, is from the WWE and in 2012 that person was undoubtedly CM Punk.

I'm here writing this long post for nothing since all you need to attest the credibility of these awards is to look at the "Commentator of the Year" where a guy who worked 15 matches the entire year won.
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I'm here writing this long post for nothing since all you need to attest the credibility of these awards is to look at the "Commentator of the Year" where a guy who worked 15 matches the entire year won.
To be fair that might just say more about his competition than anything.



(though I do think Booker T or JBL should've won)
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i'll let rovert address that post. he knows more about new japan than me.


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