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post #131 of 200 (permalink) Old 01-25-2013, 02:52 PM
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I didn't think Cole was that bad last year. it should have gone to Lawler but he probably got a pass this time since he had a heart attack.
Completely agree with this.

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NJPW had a significant and legitimate growth year and is legitimately the 2nd largest promotion globally. Simply because the matches happen in a smaller promotion doesn't mean they should be disqualified. All the rewards were legitimately deserved except the feud of the year which should have been given to Silva vs Sonnen which was the best feud in any PPV selling enterprise of the year. Tanahashi over Punk was justified because he was the front man and top star of a promotion that grew having MOTY candidate matches every month, while Punk was the 2nd top star in the company behind Cena and only headlined for his promotion when either Cena was injured or when he was facing Cena. He can't be given the award because he wasn't even presented as the most valuable in his own company, which didn't even grow as a company.

I do have one question for anyone who might feel that Dwayne Johnson "owes" the business. Is it just him, or is it anyone who moved on to other things? Should Luna Vachon get heat for running a towing company instead of working on RAW? Should Maven be critiqued on his Home Shopping Network bits instead of wrestling?

Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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Tony I would the take to understand the categories before making comments about them. Trust me.



Read the thread.



The only joke here is your depth of opinion.



No you don't. You don't understand the award at all. What you think the award is measuring is completely different to what you think.
I understand the awards perfectly. These awards are a joke just like every other public voted there is, the only difference is that the average voter here is a puro-biased/"wrestling as sport" fan WO/F4W user.

How is Tyson Kidd underrated? He should have pushed more? He's perfectly fine where he is - having good 10 minute matches in NXT and Superstars that caters directly to the people who enjoy the type of wrestling he does. Or you're telling me that if he did the same stuff he does on NXT on RAW he would become over in the midcard? He can't speak, he doesn't have a character and he doesn't have the size or look to become anything more than a midcard jobber at best. There are guys like Johnny Curtis and Bateman that are truly underpushed and underrated because they have shown they can be entertaining in the way WWE is looking for and they still aren't given the opportunity.
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post #135 of 200 (permalink) Old 01-25-2013, 03:23 PM
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Re: Wrestling Observer Awards for 2013 revealed

there's no puro bias. NJPW was better this year.


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Congrats to Daniel Bryan for 8th in best interviews, 5th in Wrestler of the year and most charismatic, 4th for best feud with CM PUnk, 3rd in most outstanding wrestler, best move for the no lock, best gimmick and most underrated, 2nd in Tag Team of the Year with Kane and of course 1st place in best Technical Wrestler. All in all a pretty big win.



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there's no puro bias. NJPW was better this year.
Better for who? For the people who voted, who are 95% hardcore smarks, who're biased to the type of wrestling NJPW does: no theatrics, "wrestling as sport". That's why you have pure workers like Tyson Kidd winning awards. But I'm not defending WWE as a whole and I'm sure NJPW puts on a good wrestling show. The thing that bothers me is Tanahashi winning Wrestler of the Year over a guy like CM Punk who's been carrying the number 1 wrestling company in the world (by a long margin) on his back. Look at the amount of work CM Punk does and what Tanahashi does: 3 hour RAW, big PPV every single month, three house-shows a week and the ocasional Smackdown. It's simply too big a difference between the work of the two.
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who're biased to the type of wrestling NJPW does: no theatrics, "wrestling as sport".
Define theatrics for me. Please, of course.


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Better for who? For the people who voted, who are 95% hardcore smarks, who're biased to the type of wrestling NJPW does: no theatrics, "wrestling as sport". That's why you have pure workers like Tyson Kidd winning awards. But I'm not defending WWE as a whole and I'm sure NJPW puts on a good wrestling show. The thing that bothers me is Tanahashi winning Wrestler of the Year over a guy like CM Punk who's been carrying the number 1 wrestling company in the world (by a long margin) on his back. Look at the amount of work CM Punk does and what Tanahashi does: 3 hour RAW, big PPV every single month, three house-shows a week and the ocasional Smackdown. It's simply too big a difference between the work of the two.
ok where to start. no theatrics? have you ever watched NJPW? obviously not b/c Okada for instance especially uses heavy theatrics from his entrance to his matches. Tanahashi is the same way. i'm not even a biased puro fan in the slightest. i watched about 3 shows in 2012. all were NJPW shows and all were high quality from start to finish.

at this point i'm guessing you're trolling since you're claiming Punk carried the #1 wrestling company in the world on his back when Punk was the #2 babyface in the company for the majority of the year. he didn't main event a single PPV besides TLC 2011 until John Cena was put in a match with him. Cena carried the company on PPV this year, which was up. Punk wasn't carrying shit. this is coming from an actual huge Punk mark too. don't lie to yourself. Tanahashi on the other hand is the legitimate top guy in the top promotion in Japan. has been the top guy all year when their business has grown, main events have produced and show quality was fantastic. Punk also had the stigma of being a ratings killer for quite some time this year.


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Punk also had the stigma of being a ratings killer for quite some time this year.
Not really his fault. The booking for Raw has been bland and repetitive for a long time.

Thank you Edge.

Chris Jericho, The Shield, CM Punk, Fandango, Daniel Bryan, Primetime Players, Zack Ryder, Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, Alex Riley

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TNA: Mr. Anderson, Madison Rayne, Velvet Sky, Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, Kazarian & Daniels

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