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Re: Who is the most divisive wrestler for the icw?

CM Punk and Randy Orton


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Punk, Orton, and Del Rio. Maybe Cena but I feel like the vast majority hates him.
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Re: Who is the most divisive wrestler for the icw?

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Hogan, Triple H and Cena, no question.

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Re: Who is the most divisive wrestler for the icw?

I don't see how Punk can be on this list, the last time I checked most people(especially in the IWC)treated Punk like a god. Sure some people don't like Punk, bashing him for his non super hero look, and calling him a mid-card champion, but in general I thought most people liked Punk. When I think of an answer for this question I think of two people mostly, HHH and John Cena. I would say Hogan as well, but even though Hogan pisses people off they will at least give Hogan his credit. HHH always gets bashed for "burying" people, for always being in the top spot, for marying into the business..etc. While some of those things may have some vaildity, people act as if HHH is the only one in wrestlting history to ever politic and protect his spot. People will use the same tired excuse to discredit his contributions and talent. The sad thing is the fans cannot prove his backstage doings, because their asses weren't backstage. The IWC for nearly a decade now has painted this picture of HHH to be some anti-christ of wrestling, when in fact he has always put over people, drew money, and then eventually left when his time was up. Then we get to Cena, whether you like it or not, Cena is one of the greatest of all-time. He may not be a HBK or Bret Hart in the ring, however Cena is good performer and has been the backbone of the WWE for several years now. The mere fact that Cena gets half boos from the crowd, and still is far and away the biggest draw in WWE today. The older demographic may not like Cena, but he is a good ambassador for the company, and a much better role model for kids than..lets say a Hogan. All in all, HHH and Cena have been the most bashed and loved at the same time by the "Universe" and the "IWC".




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Re: Who is the most divisive wrestler for the icw?

It seems like there have always been people on the IWC that hate whoever the top guy is no matter what.

I mean I remember being on the net in the late 90s and having people tell me that The Rock & Steve Austin didn't deserve to main event. I am dead fucking serious. I guess people think they sound smart if they can pick out faults with the top guys and make their own suggestions. Who knows?

Guys like Hogan, Triple H, & Cena caught their most heat on the net when they were on top. Some of it was deserved, some of it wasn't, but it still seemed to follow the pattern of "I hate the top guy, GAAAAAAW!" type of mind set.

And then there have always been pockets of fans on the internet that love and worship the WWE no matter what they do. I've had fans defend the likes of The Great Khali's title win to me. I had people tell me that Lawler Vs. Cole was an awesome feud and they were glad it happened. I've had people tell me Cena is the most over babyface in the company when clearly have the crowds (on average) hate his fucking guts. I've seen people give good reviews to absolutely shitball matches like The Concrete Crypt match. I even had people defend Mike Adamle to me. MIKE FUCKING ADAMLE!!!

I guess it might be because they first got in wrestling via the WWE (heck, I did too) and they feel a loyalty to the brand because of it, but there are people that will just defend everything they do no matter how stupid their product gets.

And that's where I see a lot of the divides come in. You have die hard WWE fans that defend everything Vs. guys that will hate whatever is on top no matter what. It really gets weird sometimes.

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It seems like there have always been people on the IWC that hate whoever the top guy is no matter what.

I mean I remember being on the net in the late 90s and having people tell me that The Rock & Steve Austin didn't deserve to main event. I am dead fucking serious. I guess people think they sound smart if they can pick out faults with the top guys and make their own suggestions. Who knows?

Guys like Hogan, Triple H, & Cena caught their most heat on the net when they were on top. Some of it was deserved, some of it wasn't, but it still seemed to follow the pattern of "I hate the top guy, GAAAAAAW!" type of mind set.

And then there have always been pockets of fans on the internet that love and worship the WWE no matter what they do. I've had fans defend the likes of The Great Khali's title win to me. I had people tell me that Lawler Vs. Cole was an awesome feud and they were glad it happened. I've had people tell me Cena is the most over babyface in the company when clearly have the crowds (on average) hate his fucking guts. I've seen people give good reviews to absolutely shitball matches like The Concrete Crypt match. I even had people defend Mike Adamle to me. MIKE FUCKING ADAMLE!!!

I guess it might be because they first got in wrestling via the WWE (heck, I did too) and they feel a loyalty to the brand because of it, but there are people that will just defend everything they do no matter how stupid their product gets.

And that's where I see a lot of the divides come in. You have die hard WWE fans that defend everything Vs. guys that will hate whatever is on top no matter what. It really gets weird sometimes.
Nice response, but place someone like Ryback (whom I hate more than Cena), and especially Ziggler (well, see sig) - who also split the ICW. And split the ICW since their first appearances as their current gimmicks and skills.

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Cena would be the main one currently. I think people are currently accepting CM Punk as a heel just because of the Rock.

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I'd say CM punk and Hogan. Punk beacause he can't draw, and hogan because he's a master backstage politician.

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Re: Who is the most divisive wrestler for the icw?

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It seems like there have always been people on the IWC that hate whoever the top guy is no matter what.

I mean I remember being on the net in the late 90s and having people tell me that The Rock & Steve Austin didn't deserve to main event. I am dead fucking serious. I guess people think they sound smart if they can pick out faults with the top guys and make their own suggestions. Who knows?

Guys like Hogan, Triple H, & Cena caught their most heat on the net when they were on top. Some of it was deserved, some of it wasn't, but it still seemed to follow the pattern of "I hate the top guy, GAAAAAAW!" type of mind set.

And then there have always been pockets of fans on the internet that love and worship the WWE no matter what they do. I've had fans defend the likes of The Great Khali's title win to me. I had people tell me that Lawler Vs. Cole was an awesome feud and they were glad it happened. I've had people tell me Cena is the most over babyface in the company when clearly have the crowds (on average) hate his fucking guts. I've seen people give good reviews to absolutely shitball matches like The Concrete Crypt match. I even had people defend Mike Adamle to me. MIKE FUCKING ADAMLE!!!

I guess it might be because they first got in wrestling via the WWE (heck, I did too) and they feel a loyalty to the brand because of it, but there are people that will just defend everything they do no matter how stupid their product gets.

And that's where I see a lot of the divides come in. You have die hard WWE fans that defend everything Vs. guys that will hate whatever is on top no matter what. It really gets weird sometimes.
This is 100% true. I'll like anything if I think it's good, but I'm not going to defend something out of some sense of loyalty, because I see it as taking my loyalty for granted when a product becomes unnecessarily crappy. And I drop any and every thing that doesn't please me, even if I loved it to death previously. The reason being that I know how good it can be, and if it's no longer that good for long stretches at a time and doesn't seem like it will be as good again, then I step away and check on it again later (or not at all), because if I stay invested in it, that enables the crappy product to continue. I am first and foremost a fan of wrestling, and the above, I think, is an example of people being more fans of WWE than fans of wrestling in general. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but I've taken breaks from promotions and have gotten more into others, but so long as any promotion is putting on a good show to me, then I'll watch it.

Cena is the most divisive, and I think even the casual fan can see it. I don't dislike wrestlers when they're at the top. I dislike the management, writers, producers of a promotion before the wrestlers themselves. I never expect WWE to do what I want with a wrestler, but their efforts at trying to control who the audience should like, etc. irks me and moves me away from the wrestler by association.
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