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Bazzinator 01-20-2013 07:13 AM

What happened to the heel way of life
 
i remember a few years ago when heels used undermining tactics throughout the match to gain an advantage. when was the last time we saw someone use the tights to get the victory use a low blow while the ref was distracted, uncover the turnbuckle pad, even to an extent the old eddie gimmick using the weapon to get the win, this probably won't happen as homage to Eddie. Even in tag team wrestling which i think could be a way to get the division over more by having the good old face team creating the distraction to allow the heels to double team the in ring competitor. or using the corner to more of an effect even the good old ref not seeing the face tag but the heels get away with it. these sort of things is what the wwe need to rebuild their heels especially early on in their careers to establish them. the amount of heat that can be created by such tactics works and gets them over which is what they are struggling to do with heels especially right now

HerbUWF 01-20-2013 07:16 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
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Originally Posted by Bazzinator (Post 12849394)
i remember a few years ago when heels used undermining tactics throughout the match to gain an advantage. when was the last time we saw someone use the tights to get the victory use a low blow while the ref was distracted, uncover the turnbuckle pad, even to an extent the old eddie gimmick using the weapon to get the win, this probably won't happen as homage to Eddie. Even in tag team wrestling which i think could be a way to get the division over more by having the good old face team creating the distraction to allow the heels to double team the in ring competitor. or using the corner to more of an effect even the good old ref not seeing the face tag but the heels get away with it. these sort of things is what the wwe need to rebuild their heels especially early on in their careers to establish them. the amount of heat that can be created by such tactics works and gets them over which is what they are struggling to do with heels especially right now

Wrestling needs more Japs throwing salt in the eyes too right? Wrestling has moved on a lot from its carny ways, but a fair amount of that shit still goes on.

silverspirit2001 01-20-2013 07:17 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
Low blows are not considered PG by Vince, exposing the turnbuckle is done on occasion. And the money in the bank case has routinely been used as a weapon, as well as belts.

The Manowarrior 01-20-2013 09:21 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
It still exists, just not in WWE.

Abk™ 01-20-2013 11:00 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
I think you got a strong point. Could really work well IMO.

Tyrion Lannister 01-20-2013 11:13 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
This is one of the things about modern day wrestling that pisses me off, and a small reason out of many why nobody gets over today. Heels are so clean today, I don't understand how or why this philosophy came into effect. I don't think I've ever seen Cesaro cheat. He's just one example I can think of, but what the fuck is the point of booing him when he just beats the babyface clean all the time? I don't object against clean wins against an established opponent once in a while to remind people that you're actually a serious threat, granted, but holy shit, CHEAT. Nowadays the biggest heel tactic seems to be walking out of the match and letting yourself get counted out, which is a TERRIBLE heel tactic. You want your heels to win underhandedly, not have them bail on the match, that gets nobody over and it wastes the crowds time, being an anti-climactic finish. Not to mention, it's made even worse by the fact that most of the time, the faces don't even try to bring them back, they just accept it. Orton usually throws them back in, but other than that it seems like they all just stand there and do jack shit.

I can't really think of anybody besides Sandow right now, who's constantly going for the tights in his pins, who uses any form of cheating, it's just win or lose. Ziggler's started to do it a little now that he has Big E and AJ, which as much as I hate him is good, because we got to get back to heels being heels, but he's another example. For YEARS he would just go in there with nothing to back himself up, and lose. It's ridiculous.

SPCDRI 01-20-2013 11:14 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
Heels don't cheat as much. I suppose the reasoning is that in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s it was not nearly as exposed. There weren't people who were or considered themselves to be "smart to the business." It was much more like a sporting event. Cheating in sporting events has been reviled for as long sports exist so it worked to get heat on a heel if he "cheated" during the match.

Now almost everybody knows it is a work so the cheating is not nearly to the extent to where it used to be when top heels were often the most innovative, ingenious and successful cheaters. THE DIRTIEST PLAYER IN THE GAME! WHOO! :flair

I think it is a mistake. Letting heels cheat more and get wins by cheating would still get heat and make it so that the heels don't look like these total chumps who lose 70 percent of their matches, regardless of their experience and in-ring talent. 'Sup Ziggles.

Edit: Motherfucker, beaten to the punch by about half a minute. I got Pyro'd.

:lelbron

HerbUWF 01-20-2013 11:18 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by silverspirit2001 (Post 12849554)
Low blows are not considered PG by Vince,

Makes you wonder why there have been plenty in the PG era then doesn't it.

Yet more shatting of sh&^ by people.

KeepinItReal 01-20-2013 11:37 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
Punk still cheats through interference that he denies involvement with. I think its pretty normal for mid card heels to beat mid card faces; its clean losses to a main event face that can ruin the product, since those are the heroes we watch for. Also, Del Rio was cheating when he was challenging Sheamus for the belt, and Sheamus cheated twice against Del Rio: using a shoe Ricardo threw in for Del Rio, and taking one of Del Rio's feet off the ropes during a successful pinfall that shouldn't have counted. I like that they seem to be coming up with new scenarios (I haven't seen them before).

Jeff Hardy Hater 01-20-2013 11:42 AM

Re: What happened to the heel way of life
 
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Originally Posted by KeepinItReal (Post 12855714)
Punk still cheats through interference that he denies involvement with. I think its pretty normal for mid card heels to beat mid card faces; its clean losses to a main event face that can ruin the product, since those are the heroes we watch for. Also, Del Rio was cheating when he was challenging Sheamus for the belt, and Sheamus cheated twice against Del Rio: using a shoe Ricardo threw in for Del Rio, and taking one of Del Rio's feet off the ropes during a successful pinfall that shouldn't have counted. I like that they seem to be coming up with new scenarios (I haven't seen them before).

The face counter-cheating to be cool is not new at all, it's 13 years old. The oldest I can remember is Boss Man throwing a nightstick to Shamrock, and Rock intercepting it.


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