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Old 01-17-2013, 11:57 AM   #21 (permalink)
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For years now the WWE has had two “World Championships”, the WWE Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship and many fans of pro wrestling may be wondering exactly which championship is the top championship in the sport of professional wrestling. In this piece I will explain to you exactly which belt is the top of the top and the reasons as to why one belt is above the other as well as my own personal views of the title's and what each one means. But before going into my explanation I'm going to spoil my answer early as a way to tickle your palms before I unload the salt on the snowy road. The answer is the World Heavyweight Championship.

The WWE Championship is NOT the same championship as the WWF Championship or the WWF World Heavyweight Championship despite what many may think. When the WWE changed it's name from the WWF it had to basically re-design the company and all copyright’s and assets (including championships) had to be reset to reflect the name change. By doing this the WWE basically became a “new” company, and even though it seemed nothing more than a name change on the surface there was a lot more going on behind the scenes than what fans got to see on television or on paper. The WWE Championship is a direct descendant of the old WWF Championship (sometimes referred to as the WWF World Heavyweight Championship but does NOT share the lineage despite the ruse that the WWE puts on toward it's fanbase. Sure, you could just simply connect the two and that's usually what people do, but deep within it's core by legal definition the two championship's are separate from one another and should be seen as such.
So, why do I not place the WWE Championship above the World Heavyweight Championship, you ask? Well, the WWE Championship is a company title, that means that the holder is the champion of the WWE as defined by the name of the championship. The holder of the title is defined as the champion of World Wrestling Entertainment and is promoted as such, but that's really as far as it goes. The WWE Championship is considered to be a “World Championship” because it is the top championship in the WWE and the WWE is indeed a world-wide company which is aired on television all over the world, as well as the internet and since the holder of the belt is holding the top title in the WWE they are noted as being a “World Champion”. But, with that title comes limitations. There is a ceiling there that you can't break and that's the ceiling of the title being named after a single company, you cannot claim to be anything higher than that despite the WWE Championship usually getting the main event slot on a pay-per-view card. Think about it this way: Would you rather be the champion of a company, or champion of the world?

See, when you hold the World Heavyweight Championship there is an illusion there that the title is not just a company title, but instead a title that spans the entire world which includes hundreds of wrestling companies and promotions. Simply put, they don't call the title the “WWE World Heavyweight Championship”. You can go ahead and watch video tape from pretty much every title defense and you will see that it's simply noted as the “World Heavyweight Championship”, and aside from a small WWE logo toward the top of the belt you would never know that the championship came with any brand recognition. That creates an illusion that you are not just the champion of the WWE, but instead you represent the entire world as the champion of the sport of pro wrestling. That includes every major company, every promotion, every wrestler, and superiority above every championship across the entire world. That's a huge responsibility to bear if you're the holder of the belt, that put's you at the very top of the food chain. Sure, it's rare that a World Heavyweight Championship match headlines a WWE pay-per-view (maybe 2 or 3 times a year), but for my money the matches put on for the title outshine the WWE Championship matches for the most part (not always) and the competitors who have held the title over the past several years (Undertaker, Kane, Big Show) are what I like to call “legacy” competitors who are throwbacks to an older age of the sport. On top of all that, since the title does not come with a true company branding it could be noted that a World Heavyweight Championship match could take place outside of the WWE seeing as how there is no verbal branding, though I'm sure this would probably never happen again (though it has in the past). And going even more forward, if you try hard, and I mean really hard, you can almost piece together a lineage between today's World Heavyweight Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship contested back in 1905 by Gotch and Hackenschmidt, though that is a daunting task even more me (but it can be done).

The problem here is you are trying to put logic in what is a prop for a fictional tv show posing as a sport.

But I agree the IC and US title need to go. They make no sense.
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I could care less about what WWE wants me to believe, its all about what the viewer wants to recognize. I recognize the World Championship as being higher than the WWE Championship because of the points I listed in the opening post, if WWE believes otherwise than that's fine.
You do, but the average viewer doesn't. You should be right, but the WWE are going to treat things the way they treat them regardless. A logical argument doesn't change the fact that the WWE title is currently perceived as more prestigious and thus better elevates the standing of its holder.
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I could care less about what WWE wants me to believe, its all about what the viewer wants to recognize. I recognize the World Championship as being higher than the WWE Championship because of the points I listed in the opening post, if WWE believes otherwise than that's fine.
I agree. It depends on the holder and the contenders. Right now, a face who cleanly beat Big Show (who cleanly beat Sheamus) is the SD champion, and the Raw Champion is a pussy who cheated against Sheamus twice, abandoned a match against Sheamus once, and was simply demolished by Big Show every time they met (though never an actual result). So, you could easily argue Del Rio > Punk.

How about 2002-04. I put Lesnar/Angle/Guerrero/Benoit/Taker over HHH/HBK/Booker T/Steiner/Goldberg any day. That's not even debatable to me, personally, SD was just better. How about when Taker/Batista/Edge are fighting it out, and Cena/Orton/HHH are on Raw? I put SD over Raw then too. Its only since Taker and Batista left that its obviously Raw over SD, and even now WRESTLING IS FAKE so you can look at it however you'd like.
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Just to be clear, I DO consider the WWE Championship to be a "World" Championship but just not THE World Championship. Basically I sum the WWE up like this with it's singles titles as it pertains to importance.....

World Heavyweight Championship - The holder of this belt is the champion of the entire sport of Pro Wrestling, covering all continents, countries, promotions, and is the #1 competitor in the world. By holding the WHC the wrestler is not restricted to being just the best in the company, but represents the sports as it's grand champion.

WWE Championship - The holder of this belt is the champion of the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) and is the top wrestler in the company. Since the WWE is the biggest wrestling company in the world the title holder may be considered a "World Champion".

WWE Intercontinental Championship - The holder of this title is the champion of the inter-continental area, including Canada, the U.S, Brazil, Africa, Europe, and other surrounding countries, and represents the WWE as the champion of such areas. This belt is NOT a "World Championship" and should be considered a "regional" championship meant for growth for it's holder.

WWE United States Championship = The holder of the title is the champion of the United States and represents the company as it's homeland champion. This is a "national/regional" championship and should be considered a "growth" title for a competitor.
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The problem here is you are trying to put logic in what is a prop for a fictional tv show posing as a sport.

But I agree the IC and US title need to go. They make no sense.
you agree that midcard belts making no snese after making the argument that it doesnt nessisarily have to make sense? where is the consistancy?

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WWE Intercontinental Championship - The holder of this title is the champion of the inter-continental area, including Canada, the U.S, Brazil, Africa, Europe, and other surrounding countries, and represents the WWE as the champion of such areas. This belt is NOT a "World Championship" and should be considered a "regional" championship meant for growth for it's holder.

WWE United States Championship = The holder of the title is the champion of the United States and represents the company as it's homeland champion. This is a "national/regional" championship and should be considered a "growth" title for a competitor.
two belts reperesenting the US? doesn't make sense
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you agree that midcard belts making no snese after making the argument that it doesnt nessisarily have to make sense? where is the consistancy?



two belts reperesenting the US? doesn't make sense
Tell that to the WWE. "Intercontinental" does cover the United States of America, it's geology pain and simple. And obviously the United States Championship covers the Unites States as well, so yeah......there you have it.
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You do, but the average viewer doesn't.
This. The belt on Raw is the real world title, the one that Shawn won at Mania 12, the one Bret won at Mania 10, the one Austin won at Mania 14, the one Hogan beat Shiek for.
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This. The belt on Raw is the real world title, the one that Shawn won at Mania 12, the one Bret won at Mania 10, the one Austin won at Mania 14, the one Hogan beat Shiek for.
That's one way of putting it, but by doing so you ignore every point I made in my original post. The World Heavyweight Championship puts its holder as the champion of the world and over every company and promotion in the world, the WWE Championship puts its holder as the champion of the company. Big difference. But again, its all in the eye of the beholder and its all what you make of it, if someone chooses to recognize the WWE title over the WHC than go for it, its up to you.
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The WWE TItle is the top wrestling title there is. Fact!
except wwe don't consider themselves wrestling anymore, fact:their publicist said so

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