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Re: Ziggler deserves better than the world title.

If that's really true, he will excel with the World Title and get his shot at the WWE Title or maybe even elevate the World Title to near the WWE Title status. Give it time.

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Re: Ziggler deserves better than the world title.

I'm a big fan of Dolph Ziggler, but he is not full of charisma. He's got it, just not that a high enough level that he stands out all that much. His mic skills range from above average to good, and they're very inconsistent. He's a good in ring talent, although his ring-work is not fit for a heel. The way he sells stuff screams "babyface in peril", so I guess his psychology is a little off. Based on all of this, I'm going ot have to disagree with you that Dolph Ziggler deserves better. He is in no way ready to hold the WWE Championship, at all. Maybe in a couple of years, sure...but certainly not now.


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Re: Ziggler deserves better than the world title.

I love how most of us don't consider the World Title to be a main event belt. That is so backwards, I don't even know what to say.

But that's the system WWE has in place, so what are ya gonna do.

I wish Ziggler had been around during the 90s. He's one of those guys that would have been a big IC Champion, back when holding that title actually mattered, and because guys like Hogan, Warrior, Piper, Savage, & DiBiase were all out of the picture, it would have opened the door up for him to be WWE Champion in an era with only one world title.

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Re: Ziggler deserves better than the world title.

Okay, this is ridiculous. Ziggler is the best wrestler today other than Punk. All-around. He doesn't have charisma? Here's a little exercise to put things in perspective. Who has better charisma/acting skills than Dolph Ziggler? Its a short list. The only guys who MIGHT have better charisma than him are Cena, Punk, Orton, Sheamus, Del Rio, and Miz. Now how does Dolph Ziggler look to you guys?

However, I disagree with saying the World Title isn't enough for him. The World Title is perfect for him, let him build it up. Triple H once said, I think in discussing the value of the WHC, that the champion makes the belt, not the otehr way around. The US title can be a strap on Santino Marella's shoulder, or a really great mid-carder can throw a massive parade and get away with it, its a prop that can be used or not used. If the WHC isn't treated well or the superstars/matches suck, then ppl won't care. If Cena and the Undertaker feud over the WHC, no one will doubt its value, its all about the wrestlers feuding over it. A lot of the ppl who think the WHC has been devalued think the same of the WWE Title, since its always Cena in the main event, not the WWE Title.

If Ziggler has the belt, he'll make it matter. I really, REALLY hope he'll main event PPV's with it; they can even ease Ziggler in to those main events by giving him dirty title defenses against Cena to start it off.

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I really don't see main eventer when I see Ziggler.
Neither do I. I would say neither do most. He oversells & he's a heel, so a lot internet fans love him, but a lot of internet fans used to love AJ Lee too & look how quickly they turned on her. I would argue that he is far from "a complete package." I think he has a really generic look. I think his promos need a lot of work. So much work that at this point, it would be easier to just get him a mouthpiece. Also, contrary to what a lot of people on-line seem to think, he's really not a great worker. He is a great bumper, for sure, but his offense is pretty bad & as a heel, he's in control for the majority of matches, so that's a problem. I'm not saying he's bad, don't get me wrong. I just don't see money when I see him is all. He is a great upper midcarder & I think he's in a really good spot right now.

Maybe his babyface comebacks, if he turns, would be better than his heel control segments, I don't know, but he seems awkward to me. A lot of it, I think, is just working within the TV limits. He shines more on PPV for sure.

And I won't even talk about charisma as that seems to be a subjective term nowadays. I'll just say that in his current incarnation, people aren't buying tickets to watch Dolph Ziggler.
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Re: Ziggler deserves better than the world title.

The WHC is the new IC title anyway, a worthless world title run at least allows Vince and the other higher ups to see what a guy is like holding gold.
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Zigglers moveset is more of a face, not heel and I do see him turning face but not for awhile. When miz and del rio just went face.

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Re: Ziggler deserves better than the world title.

Ziggler's not winning the WWE title anytime soon, and he doesn't deserve to. World title is fine for him, he's not RAW main event material.

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Re: Ziggler deserves better than the world title.

This might be a bit off-topic, but its in response to ppl who say Ziggler lacks charisma. I've heard ppl say that Punk lacks charisma, Cena lacks charisma, Sheamus, Del Rio, Miz, Ziggler, Cesaro, Orton. I know different ppl are doubting different wrestlers' charisma, so its not specific ppl each believing "they all lack it," but still, I don't understand where these opinions come from. How good do these people need to be to be recognized as decent actors BY PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING STANDARDS? The only one of those wrestlers who I think lacks charisma is Orton, and even he has decent delivery (and I used to really like him).

Ppl need to realize how rare mic skills and acting skills really are. Did Mick Foley have charisma? Undertaker? Rock? Austin? Triple H? Seriously. Only Rock and Austin stand out from the other wrestlers in this post as having GREAT acting skills (except maybe Punk AND DOLPH F'N ZIGGLER, in my opinion). Who are we comparing wrestlers to? HBO shows? Movies?

Pardon the rant, but Dolph Ziggler's the shit. I highly enjoyed his matches against both Cena and Sheamus this week. No one sells like Dolph Ziggler; if it didn't drastically break kayfabe, "salesman" would be his nickname. He lacks charisma? He's the definition of charisma! I'm not joking, I'm not exaggerating. He is the living, breathing personification of smug arrogance.

He is fantastic at what he does. Every facial expression and movement, in and out of the ring, is in character; in my opinion only the Rock compares to Dolph Ziggler in that quality. At no moment does he have a blank expression or does he just walk down to the ring like what's going on isn't special. He is the last wrestler on the roster who should be criticized for lack of charisma or acting skills. If he lacks charisma, or he lacks acting skills (since ppl might consider them different), then who the hell is better? Who on the roster has better charisma or acting skills than Dolph Ziggler??? Punk? Cena? That's it. I love Sheamus, but I know he's mediocre on the mic, the guy's just likable and entertaining. Orton? Don't you dare say Orton has more charisma than Dolph Ziggler!

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This might be a bit off-topic, but its in response to ppl who say Ziggler lacks charisma. I've heard ppl say that Punk lacks charisma, Cena lacks charisma, Sheamus, Del Rio, Miz, Ziggler, Cesaro, Orton. I know different ppl are doubting different wrestlers' charisma, so its not specific ppl each believing "they all lack it," but still, I don't understand where these opinions come from. How good do these people need to be to be recognized as decent actors BY PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING STANDARDS? The only one of those wrestlers who I think lacks charisma is Orton, and even he has decent delivery (and I used to really like him).

Ppl need to realize how rare mic skills and acting skills really are. Did Mick Foley have charisma? Undertaker? Rock? Austin? Triple H? Seriously. Only Rock and Austin stand out from the other wrestlers in this post as having GREAT acting skills (except maybe Punk AND DOLPH F'N ZIGGLER, in my opinion). Who are we comparing wrestlers to? HBO shows? Movies?

Pardon the rant, but Dolph Ziggler's the shit. I highly enjoyed his matches against both Cena and Sheamus this week. No one sells like Dolph Ziggler; if it didn't drastically break kayfabe, "salesman" would be his nickname. He lacks charisma? He's the definition of charisma! I'm not joking, I'm not exaggerating. He is the living, breathing personification of smug arrogance.

He is fantastic at what he does. Every facial expression and movement, in and out of the ring, is in character; in my opinion only the Rock compares to Dolph Ziggler in that quality. At no moment does he have a blank expression or does he just walk down to the ring like what's going on isn't special. He is the last wrestler on the roster who should be criticized for lack of charisma or acting skills. If he lacks charisma, or he lacks acting skills (since ppl might consider them different), then who the hell is better? Who on the roster has better charisma or acting skills than Dolph Ziggler??? Punk? Cena? That's it. I love Sheamus, but I know he's mediocre on the mic, the guy's just likable and entertaining. Orton? Don't you dare say Orton has more charisma than Dolph Ziggler!


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