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Old 01-13-2013, 06:37 PM   #121 (permalink)
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it's just funny to me how "look" is so important even to fans. As long as a guy can entertain, who cares how he looks?

"Cena's promo content is god awful but his delivery can't be denied"

isn't that the whole point? sure his delivery is fine I guess, but I'm a bit old to enjoy someone with a stupid smile on his face screaming "yayyyy!!! wiener jokes!!" or even spray painting "tehe my opponent likes poopy" back when he was feuding with JBL. The guy is overrated and too many people cut him slack when he can't even touch guys like Ziggler... you know, guys who can actually execute their own moves accurately, take their own promos seriously, and guys who don't have the mind of a 9 year old. What makes you think that Ziggler wouldn't deliver in a big time match? has he even been in many?

As for Orton, once again you proved my point. He was a lot better back in 04, but that doesn't mean he's the same guy right now. Walking at a snails pace to the ring, constantly squinting his eyes, devoid of any actual facial expression, monotone voice, DECENT wrestling ability. I mean, he's definitely watchable but how on earth do fans illustrate him as this untouchable guy? why is Ziggler not capable of being in the same league as someone who isn't even that spectacular? Ziggler looks pretty damn good to me when he's in the ring with these two. He's just booked to look like a total loser.
Dude, you're the one that brought up looks first. You can't use against Orton and then say it doesn't matter. Looks do matter. This is wrestling. People have to belive you can kick someone's ass if you're going to be taken seriously as a main eventer. It's either that, or you have to be so charismatic no one cares about your size. Ziggler is neither the former or the latter. That's his problem. Delivery matters as well. Sometimes more than content. Cena has the ability to deliver a promo so well he makes you belive what he's saying, and when he's given good content (which isn't often) he's great. That can't be denied. Ziggler has had his moments on the mic, but for the most part he's hit and miss. No one has ever said that Ziggler couldn't deliver a big time match, I'm just saying that Cena can. Yeah, some here give Cena some slack, but you're trying to tear him down entirely too much.

Orton is playing his "viper" character. A character that is stale but one he plays to perfection. You can't criticize his character when Ziggler has been doing the same thing for years now. Shouting "How damn good am I?" "I'm so sick of being so damn sick!" "I steal the show!", shaking his ass, and selling like a babyface when he's a heel. Orton and Ziggler are both being booked bad, stop making excuses for Ziggler. Like I said, if Orton turned it on...he'd blow Ziggler out of the water with his superior charisma and mic skills.



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when has Bryan cut a good promo??? Don't say anything in team hell no either. Bryan is NOT better than ziggler. Not even close. Bryan looks like a midget who can't hurt anyone
Are you seriously using the size argument when you're trying to defend Ziggler. Bryan may be small but it isn't like Ziggler is all that bigger. Plus, Bryan actually looks bigger(in terms of muscle mass) than Ziggler. Bryan's gotten far more over in far less time than Ziggler and he's a better technician than Ziggler. I realize it's your opinion and blah blah blah, but how can you type that with a straight face?
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:50 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Dude, you're the one that brought up looks first. You can't use against Orton and then say it doesn't matter. Looks do matter. This is wrestling. People have to belive you can kick someone's ass if you're going to be taken seriously as a main eventer. It's either that, or you have to be so charismatic no one cares about your size. Ziggler is neither the former or the latter. That's his problem. Delivery matters as well. Sometimes more than content. Cena has the ability to deliver a promo so well he makes you belive what he's saying, and when he's given good content (which isn't often) he's great. That can't be denied. Ziggler has had his moments on the mic, but for the most part he's hit and miss. No one has ever said that Ziggler couldn't deliver a big time match, I'm just saying that Cena can. Yeah, some here give Cena some slack, but you're trying to tear him down entirely too much.

Orton is playing his "viper" character. A character that is stale but one he plays to perfection. You can't criticize his character when Ziggler has been doing the same thing for years now. Shouting "How damn good am I?" "I'm so sick of being so damn sick!" "I steal the show!", shaking his ass, and selling like a babyface when he's a heel. Orton and Ziggler are both being booked bad, stop making excuses for Ziggler. Like I said, if Orton turned it on...he'd blow Ziggler out of the water with his superior charisma and mic skills.




Are you seriously using the size argument when you're trying to defend Ziggler. Bryan may be small but it isn't like Ziggler is all that bigger. Plus, Bryan actually looks bigger(in terms of muscle mass) than Ziggler. Bryan's gotten far more over in far less time than Ziggler and he's a better technician than Ziggler. I realize it's your opinion and blah blah blah, but how can you type that with a straight face?


are you serious? I've met both guys (night before raw in Chicago) zigglers WAY more cut than Bryan
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:01 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Everything is subjective. If someone thinks Ziggler is better than Bryan on the mic, that's their opinion, the truth is, Bryan isn't that good on mic, he look has always inferior to Ziggler's (Ziggler's taller, better physique, looks more like a wrestler than Bryan). Bryan's a great wrestler, but recently his matches consist of nothing much but kicks and a few other moves, it's sad because he's a great wrestler, and when not restricted, he can really bring it in matches, but as of right now, Ziggler's been wrestling better matches than Bryan for the last few months.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:05 PM   #124 (permalink)
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are you serious? I've met both guys (night before raw in Chicago) zigglers WAY more cut than Bryan
I know that. I said in terms of muscle mass Daniel Bryan is currently bigger. Bryan's been working his ass off to get big.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:22 AM   #125 (permalink)
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Everything is subjective. If someone thinks Ziggler is better than Bryan on the mic, that's their opinion, the truth is, Bryan isn't that good on mic, he look has always inferior to Ziggler's (Ziggler's taller, better physique, looks more like a wrestler than Bryan). Bryan's a great wrestler, but recently his matches consist of nothing much but kicks and a few other moves, it's sad because he's a great wrestler, and when not restricted, he can really bring it in matches, but as of right now, Ziggler's been wrestling better matches than Bryan for the last few months.
It's the other way around actually.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:24 AM   #126 (permalink)
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I'm done arguing between ziggler and Bryan, place is full of Bryan marks who don't make any sense.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:52 AM   #127 (permalink)
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So basically you do not have a responses so instead call Bryan marks names? The fact you are using size as stick to beat Bryan with when it comes to the two is hilarious. Ziggler ain't much bigger. Oh and this is coming from someone is a fan of both (though I prefer Bryan)
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:36 AM   #128 (permalink)
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when has Bryan cut a good promo??? Don't say anything in team hell no either. Bryan is NOT better than ziggler. Not even close. Bryan looks like a midget who can't hurt anyone
Bryan's kicks and uppercuts look better than anything Ziggler does. The best looking move Ziggler has is a dropkick. Bryan is the best mat wrestler in the WWE, one of the better strikers, has one of if not the most over submission move, does more high flying moves than Ziggler etc etc. Like I said Ziggler may be a better bumper and that's it his offense couldn't bust an egg.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:19 AM   #129 (permalink)
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I really do like Ziggler but come off it man. He has not even won the WHC first of all, at least wait until he wins that (if he does) see how he goes and take it from there. And why does getting the second biggest belt in WWE equate to Ziggler deserving better? Not everyone can get the top belt, i'm all about the Sandow and even i will not be blinded to say he should be the WWE Champ/ WHC at this moment in time, he needs a midcard belt first like the tag team and or ic/us championship and take it from there. Ziggles does have everything in his locker though there is no doubt about that and if he can work on his mic skills a little bit more and get a new finisher he is good to go imo.
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I really do like Ziggler but come off it man. He has not even won the WHC first of all
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