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Old 01-21-2013, 05:35 AM   #141 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

Of course 2001 was Austins year. Just because he was a heel for the majority of the year doesn't mean he wasn't the top guy still. He had bigger crowd reactions leading up to their WrestleMania match and as heel was the focus of pretty much everyshow. So yeah 2001 was Austins year. Kurt angle as good as he was 2001 wasn't at Austins level. And Austin turned heel because HE felt stale and wanted to change things up a bit. Fans were still going crazy for him but HE wanted a change and one of the reasons it wasn't successful was because the fans still wanted a face stone cold. He was more over then rock leading up to WrestleMania. It thought the time was right because the rock was hot that fans would turn on him more. He did not turn heel because the rock was more over then him because rock left after WrestleMania so that doesn't make sense. He thought because of rocks popularity and him feeling stale he could turn heel.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:00 AM   #142 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

To chime into this Hogan-Rock-Stone Cold thing at Wrestlemania X8:

I don't believe the rumor that the original plan was Stone Cold vs Hulk Hogan. I've read Stone Cold's biography released in 2004, and he mentions nothing about that. He talks in depth about his marriages, his stimulant-overdosing, his refusal to lose to Lesnar, and his children, etc.

Why would he not mention anything about refusing to wrestle Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania X8? Because it never happened. There was never a plan for him to fight Hogan at 'Mania X8. It is a myth.

The Rock fighting Hogan made more sense. Rock was younger,at 29 years old, so that provided a "pass-the-torch" moment. Their styles mixed together - Hollywood Hulk Hogan versus Hollywood Rock. Rock's character also allowed Hogan to turn face at the end, with the two shaking hands. With Stone Cold, that moment would have been awkward because of Austin's "Don't Trust Anyone" persona.

Rock was the 1st choice and rightfully so.
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

Austin said himself he was never approached to face Hogan at WM x8. So i dont think it has anything to do with them not agreeing on the finish and egos and all that. Austin was never asked by Vince. He said so himself. Simple as that. Rock in 2002 was more over than Austin and by then was the MAN so i guess business wise it just made more sense. We know Vince is all about the business and gives a fuck about dream matches. He is about th match thats the biggest draw and i guess to him Rock v Hogan > Austin v Hogan since Rock was by that time bigger than Austin.
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Of course 2001 was Austins year. Just because he was a heel for the majority of the year doesn't mean he wasn't the top guy still. He had bigger crowd reactions leading up to their WrestleMania match and as heel was the focus of pretty much everyshow. So yeah 2001 was Austins year. Kurt angle as good as he was 2001 wasn't at Austins level. And Austin turned heel because HE felt stale and wanted to change things up a bit. Fans were still going crazy for him but HE wanted a change and one of the reasons it wasn't successful was because the fans still wanted a face stone cold. He was more over then rock leading up to WrestleMania. It thought the time was right because the rock was hot that fans would turn on him more. He did not turn heel because the rock was more over then him because rock left after WrestleMania so that doesn't make sense. He thought because of rocks popularity and him feeling stale he could turn heel.

Well, Austin DID get stale after his fued with mcmahon ended, and the original plan was to turn him heel by late 1999, but that didn't happen due to the neck surgery.
His heel run failed not because the fans refused to boo him(which is another lie by the WWE), but because he's got more more of an anti hero type of character which is in between heel and face.

As for him being a favourite, before Rock failed attempt to attack austin from behind(Rock bottom) which is a coward'ish thing to do, Rock was slightly the favourite. You can tell, the night after NWO when the two had their little confrontation, Rock outpopped austin. The same thing happened that same week on smackdown. They were having a promo with kurt and the two had a little staredown and during that staredown there was a huge rocky chants going. The fans didn't side with austin till rock failed once again to bait austin during his match with angle I believe. Oh, and by the way, considering that WM X7 was in Austin's homestate, Rock got a pretty damn good reaction from the crowd.

..And yes, he did say he felt comfortable turning heel because Rock was the top guy(according to Steve)

Back to the 2001 thing, It's not about Austin being a heel, Angle simply had a better all around year. He had alot of great matches, and basically his all around performance was gold from start to finish, and just like I said earlier I don't think anyone had a year, where at one point he was the top heel and at other point he was the top babyface. After the 2 weeks off(after he lost the title), austin was simply not the same.

IMO, Angle should've been the one to main-event WM X8 with HHH.

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IMO, Angle should've been the one to main-event WM X8 with HHH.
Right. Angle had more starpower, more credibility and both already had history with the unresolved angle with Stephanie from 2000. They could have done the same angle for mania 18 that they did for No Way Out 2002.

Hunter vs Jericho could have happened at No Way Out instead.
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To chime into this Hogan-Rock-Stone Cold thing at Wrestlemania X8:

I don't believe the rumor that the original plan was Stone Cold vs Hulk Hogan. I've read Stone Cold's biography released in 2004, and he mentions nothing about that. He talks in depth about his marriages, his stimulant-overdosing, his refusal to lose to Lesnar, and his children, etc.

Why would he not mention anything about refusing to wrestle Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania X8? Because it never happened. There was never a plan for him to fight Hogan at 'Mania X8. It is a myth.

The Rock fighting Hogan made more sense. Rock was younger,at 29 years old, so that provided a "pass-the-torch" moment. Their styles mixed together - Hollywood Hulk Hogan versus Hollywood Rock. Rock's character also allowed Hogan to turn face at the end, with the two shaking hands. With Stone Cold, that moment would have been awkward because of Austin's "Don't Trust Anyone" persona.

Rock was the 1st choice and rightfully so.



Another BS rumor that was created by Austin marks, and appearently they started to beileve it themselves.




"Going into WM 18, I really thought I was starting lose a little bit of my momentum, and...I didn't like the creative direction where going. NWO had come in, and all the sudden heading to mania, and it's "Rock vs Hogan"...well that's the big match, that's the main event. SCSA was gonna work with Scott Hall, and with all due respect and props to him, but you know...Hogan was the guy that I needed to work with, not scott hall"

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Well, Austin DID get stale after his fued with mcmahon ended, and the original plan was to turn him heel by late 1999, but that didn't happen due to the neck surgery.
His heel run failed not because the fans refused to boo him(which is another lie by the WWE), but because he's got more more of an anti hero type of character which is in between heel and face.

As for him being a favourite, before Rock failed attempt to attack austin from behind(Rock bottom) which is a coward'ish thing to do, Rock was slightly the favourite. You can tell, the night after NWO when the two had their little confrontation, Rock outpopped austin. The same thing happened that same week on smackdown. They were having a promo with kurt and the two had a little staredown and during that staredown there was a huge rocky chants going. The fans didn't side with austin till rock failed once again to bait austin once again during his match with angle I believe. Oh, and by the way, considering that WM X7 was in Austin's homestate, Rock got a pretty god reaction from the crowd.

Back to the 2001 thing, It's not about Austin being a heel, Angle simply had a better all around year. He had alot of great matches, and basically his all around performance was gold from start to finish, and just like I said earlier I don't think anyone had a year, where at one point he was the top heel and at other point he was the top babyface. After the 2 weeks off, austin was simply not the same..
Whilst this has nothing to do with the topic of hogan vs rock, 2001 was probably Austins best inring performance year since his neck injury. Also he was front and centre of the product until after survivor series that year so 2001 was Austins year. If you want to discuss it more make a thread about it but it has nothing to do with this thread. In regards to WrestleMania 17'and the leadup, dave Meltzer and wade Keller both in their publications said Austin was the fan favourite leading up to WrestleMania. While in austins home town their is also alot of people from across America that go to WrestleMania so it wasnt all a bunch of texans cheering their hometown hero, so rock had a more negative reaction on a national stage.
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all the ppl posting above..
go check ur facts..especially the so claimed know it all rock s the best in the world ppl
it was actually austin vs hogan
but austin refused to job to hogan in the future and was unhappy with the booking of his character and hogan..as usual..dint wanna job to austin
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Whilst this has nothing to do with the topic of hogan vs rock, 2001 was probably Austins best inring performance year since his neck injury. Also he was front and centre of the product until after survivor series that year so 2001 was Austins year. If you want to discuss it more make a thread about it but it has nothing to do with this thread. In regards to WrestleMania 17'and the leadup, dave Meltzer and wade Keller both in their publications said Austin was the fan favourite leading up to WrestleMania. While in austins home town their is also alot of people from across America that go to WrestleMania so it wasnt all a bunch of texans cheering their hometown hero, so rock had a more negative reaction on a national stage.

Yes, he was front and centre of the product like you said, but that doesn't mean he was the best. He had his ups and downs, He had some great PPV matches, but he also had some bad ones, and the thing is, for the most part of that year, he simply failed to get the job done as a heel, which is draw some real heat. Angle did it without even breaking a sweat. Keep in mind, the fans turned Angle face.

Well, like I said Austin became the fan favourite half way through the build-up to WM 17, and after Rock's cowardly attempts to stab Austin in the back, who came for his aid. Matter of fact, I really don't care what any of them think, I've seen the build-up a hundred times, and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

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all the ppl posting above..
go check ur facts..especially the so claimed know it all rock s the best in the world ppl
it was actually austin vs hogan
but austin refused to job to hogan in the future and was unhappy with the booking of his character and hogan..as usual..dint wanna job to austin
U Mad?

Austin marks are killing me.


The qoute I've posted above came from Austin's mouth word-by-word. Check out his DVD if you don't believe me...hell, you'd probably make up another lame ass excuse to justify why Rock got Hogan and your little hero got a kick in the ass...go ahead...

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all the ppl posting above..
go check ur facts..especially the so claimed know it all rock s the best in the world ppl
it was actually austin vs hogan
but austin refused to job to hogan in the future and was unhappy with the booking of his character and hogan..as usual..dint wanna job to austin
Where is your source? What DVD? Which interview? Which book?

Stone Cold in his 2004 biography Stone Cold Truth said nothing about a match with Hogan. If he was offered the match and refused because of bad-blood with Hogan, then he would have spoke about it in-depth. He didn't say anything about it because it never happened.
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