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Old 01-15-2013, 01:36 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

When Hogan when to WCW he made WCW original like Austin and Sting job to former WWE guys.. Rock/Hogan never had beef but Austin/Hogan did
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:48 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Austin was bigger than The Rock. There is no two ways around it.
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Im far from an Austin mark, I'm simply telling what I heard, which isn't any more bullshit than Icon vs Icon.

Bottom line, its 3 sides to the story, Austins , Hogans and the truth and unless Rock or Vince speak on it, we'll never know the truth.

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Old 01-16-2013, 10:03 AM   #124 (permalink)
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Icon vs. Icon I like the fact you think you know everything. First the guys you claim were "fans" were insiders that worked for sports radio that are wrestling media people like Dave Meltzer. I also said the talk happened the same night Hogan/Rock happened as it was the post game show right after the event finished. It wasn't even made a big deal either as it was a passing comment.
Even Meltzer reported the original plan for Mania x8 was for Steve to drop the undisputed title to Hunter

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Austin vs. Rock was going to happen at WM 18 first and I told you that there was even promotional pics taken with Austin and Rock with the Mayor of Toronto Mel Lastman in the middle of them. This was MONTHS before Hogan came back to the company. These promo pics were taken in the summer of 2001. I don't know what else to tell you, but to research that info and see for yourself.
Ive seen that picture of them two were Rock had on a brown suite while Steve had on a shirt and the title, it was just a picture for press. If they were suppose to meet again at Mania the news of it wouldve hit everywhere.

Does anyone know who was suppose to be the first undisputed champ if Hunter didnt get hurt? I heard it was suppose to be Hunter but then i wounder what he wouldve done at Mania x8?


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Im far from an Austin mark, I'm simply telling what I heard.
Clearly your still upset about the whooping I gave you on the other thread. Here let me give you some advice, dont post things unless you have some proof to back it up. All you do is many wild claims then say you heard it somewhere and lose credibility .

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Bottom line, its 3 sides to the story, Austins , Hogans and the truth and unless Rock or Vince speak on it, we'll never know the truth.
Everyone agrees that Steve was suppose to drop the title to Hunter. Now your trying to argue that you "think" WWE had planned Steve to that and face Hulk? So what was Rocky suppose to do? Nash can never keep his mouth shut and hes said many times it was always suppose to be Rocky/Hulk and the original finish was suppose to be Rocky going over then he and Hall going to take Rock out at the end of the match.

Why would Steve admit he was offered Hulk so many times after he retired but not at Mania x8? Why did Steve say in his dvd that he felt he needed to be the guy working with Hulk at Mania x8 if it was his decision supposedly why it didnt happen? People take this whole (Hulk didnt want to job to Steve) overboard when hes said many times he didnt care or expect to win he just wanted the match. Steve saw Rocky getting booed out the building and knew right then he would never let Hulk do that to him to save his pride.
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Even Meltzer reported the original plan for Mania x8 was for Steve to drop the undisputed title to Hunter



Ive seen that picture of them two were Rock had on a brown suite while Steve had on a shirt and the title, it was just a picture for press. If they were suppose to meet again at Mania the news of it wouldve hit everywhere.

Does anyone know who was suppose to be the first undisputed champ if Hunter didnt get hurt? I heard it was suppose to be Hunter but then i wounder what he wouldve done at Mania x8?
When Austin and Rock took those pics at the time there was no plan about having an Undisputed Title as the company was trying to have wcw get its own show on a network channel. The plans changed more at the tail end of the summer when the company couldn't get a tv time slot for the wcw show.

One of the reasons for the Invasion angle being rushed was HHH's injury throwing a monkey wrench into the main event of SummerSlam. It was also a reason why Rock was brought back early for SummerSlam. The ratings were dropping post Mania 17.

The match would not have been officially announced at that time for storyline reasons obviously. It was not like a situation like Rock vs. Punk being announced in advanced with Rock challenging Punk on RAW 1000.

Even Hulk Hogan and nWo coming into the company was a late year plan as the Invasion angle was ran through with the "dream matches". Remember The Rock was "suspended" to explain his absence, but once ratings were dropping and then HHH got injured the plans changed from bringing him back later in the year to bringing him back at SummerSlam(a similar situation in 1990 when Vince brought back Hogan early because the gates were falling). The company tried to tie up that loose end with Rock/Austin with Rock doing the rock bottom on him saying The Rock doesn't forget in the fall of '01 right before bringing in the nWo. The plans were already changed from Rock/Austin once the company got Hogan and company on board.

Jericho was inserted into the program as Undisputed Champion because the company wanted their two top stars Rock and Austin feuding with the nWo. HHH was always going to get the title even before he got injured from Austin at SummerSlam, but of course he got hurt so the plan got pushed back with HHH getting the title at WrestleMania since medically he would be cleared to return in 6 months in time for Royal Rumble.

The Undisputed Title only came into effect because the company rushed the Invasion angle and wanted to wrap up the loose ends before bringing in the nWo(there were rumors that the nWo might even appear at the Rumble).

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The Undisputed Title only came into effect because the company rushed the Invasion angle and wanted to wrap up the loose ends before bringing in the nWo(there were rumors that the nWo might even appear at the Rumble).
So what would have Hunter done at Mania if was going to be Steve/Rocky? Y2J was only given the title because Steve refused to drop the title to Hunter dude. Ive read a lot that the original plan was to just have Hunter beat Steve/Rocky to become first undisputed champ then again i still dont know what he wouldve done at Mania.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:19 PM   #127 (permalink)
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So what would have Hunter done at Mania if was going to be Steve/Rocky? Y2J was only given the title because Steve refused to drop the title to Hunter dude. Ive read a lot that the original plan was to just have Hunter beat Steve/Rocky to become first undisputed champ then again i still dont know what he wouldve done at Mania.
I know Austin refused to drop the title to Hunter and I understand why since he had already put over HHH at No Way Out before Mania 17.

HHH was always going to get the title though which I'm trying to tell you which would have happened at SummerSlam. HHH was being groomed to be the top dog since Austin was on his last legs in the company's mind and Rock was starting to become more Hollywood focused.

HHH's injury caused the company to think of alternative plans.
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:35 AM   #128 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

it all does not matter, the best thing they could have done was have a triple thread match with either rock or Austin going over (my pick would be the rock because he was the youngest and hottest star at that point).
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:15 AM   #129 (permalink)
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Does anyone know who was suppose to be the first undisputed champ if Hunter didnt get hurt? I heard it was suppose to be Hunter but then i wounder what he wouldve done at Mania x8?



The plan was for Austin to turn heel at Mania 17 and Rock to get his revenge at mania 18 by winning the title back from Austin. Austin vs Hunter was the planned Summerslam main event at that point.

Then Hunter tore his quad and they replaced him with Angle for the Summerslam main event. At that point they still planned to do Austin vs Rock at mania 18 which is why they didn't do the match at Summerslam.

At some point, I guess after they negotiated with Hogan, they planned on bringing back Hunter as a babyface to face heel Austin at Mania 18 (and do Hogan vs Rock as the semi main).

Austin however refused to drop the title to Hunter and more specifically refused to keep on being a heel. Now they wanted Angle to become Undisputed champ at Vengeance and do Angle/Hunter for the title and Austin/Rock or one of them against Hogan in case Hogan was available at Mania. Just days prior the Vengeance event, Vince changed his mind and wanted to make Y2J the champ and face Hunter at Mania.
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The plan was for Austin to turn heel at Mania 17 and Rock to get his revenge at mania 18 by winning the title back from Austin. Austin vs Hunter was the planned Summerslam main event at that point.

Then Hunter tore his quad and they replaced him with Angle for the Summerslam main event. At that point they still planned to do Austin vs Rock at mania 18 which is why they didn't do the match at Summerslam.

At some point, I guess after they negotiated with Hogan, they planned on bringing back Hunter as a babyface to face heel Austin at Mania 18 (and do Hogan vs Rock as the semi main).

Austin however refused to drop the title to Hunter and more specifically refused to keep on being a heel. Now they wanted Angle to become Undisputed champ at Vengeance and do Angle/Hunter for the title and Austin/Rock or one of them against Hogan in case Hogan was available at Mania. Just days prior the Vengeance event, Vince changed his mind and wanted to make Y2J the champ and face Hunter at Mania.
that was a mouthful

I definietly remember their being seeds for an Austin-HHH feud, and There was like 10 months to build to a WM match between the two. I remember Triple H lost the IC belt, and Austin was more concerned with keeping his World belt, and didn't help/properly help Trips retain against Kane. Then the World Tag Team match was fantastic, but it felt like the two didn't really like eachother by that point and had alot of tension.

The way it turned out, Jericho got his moment in the sun, and put on good matches with the Rock throughout fall, and into WM and Backlash (?) with Triple H. It was a shame that Austin never got the belt back and had to work with Hall, in a like 7 minute match, while Rock, Jericho, Hogan and Triple H all were ahead of him on the card.
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