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Old 01-14-2013, 10:42 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Vince messed up with not going with Austin v. Hogan at WM 19. In reality no one wanted to see VKM vs. Hogan.
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:02 AM   #102 (permalink)
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When you make a claim you have to be able to prove it, you cant just tell someone to find it themselves otherwise you lost all credibility. I know for a fact that Steve was never even an option and that it was always suppose to be Rocky/Hulk. Its just funny how i repeat that i have tons of links to Steve saying this himself yet nobody asks to see the proof they want to ignore facts and keep repeating lies. Btw Hulk is better than Steve and Rock.
Guy the board won't let me post from the LAW site. I'm new to these boards and don't have enough posts. I'm not even sure they have the live broadcast and not just a review podcast from 2010 of the event. That is why I said you can ask the reporters there.

I'm just adding to the conversation of a radio interview with guys from that show who stated otherwise. I'm not even stating what you are saying is wrong. I'm just letting you know what was being said in Toronto the night AFTER Hogan/Rock happened.

If you know anything about Toronto and how it covers the business you would understand that WAY before the internet the city and its fans would get insider news since the Canadian head offices are in Toronto and Jack Tunney would leak info. I don't have to worry about my credibility because I know I can hang with anyone when it comes to wrestling history. I've been to other boards and been in a lot of discussions and never had a credibility issue. I understand why you may think otherwise. You asked me about where my source was and I gave you my answer.

The original Mania 18 main event was suppose to be Austin vs. Rock(champ vs. champ as there were promotional pictures with the Mayor for this), but I guess you will question me about this too right? As it was changed after due to Austin turning back babyface and the whole Invasion angle flopped. Then it was switched to HHH/Austin which was the original plan for SummerSlam 2001 and was pushed back.

Think of it another way. Vince Mcmahon brings in Hulk Hogan and the nWo and you actually believe at NO TIME it ran across the wwe brass that Hogan vs. Austin wouldn't be a money match? That they wouldn't even entertain the idea? I have also heard contrary to what Austin has stated in public and that Hogan vs. Austin was suggested even at Mania 19 and Mania 20.

The biggest thing that was going around at that time was that Austin did not like the fact those guys came in at all. He felt after the whole Monday Night Wars that bringing those guys in was like working with the enemy. He didn't like the idea of the nWo floating as a group in a split wwf. That is why he thought the writing sucked.

We know Hogan knows how to work the media. You think Hogan going to media outlets and stating he would do the job wasn't one of his ways to tell fans it was not him causing the match not to happen? I don't care either way as the match should have happened at the latest at WM XX at MSG, but I saw this thread and just wanted to add to it since I knew this piece of info from news sources in Toronto at the time.

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When you make a claim you have to be able to prove it, you cant just tell someone to find it themselves otherwise you lost all credibility. I know for a fact that Steve was never even an option and that it was always suppose to be Rocky/Hulk. Its just funny how i repeat that i have tons of links to Steve saying this himself yet nobody asks to see the proof they want to ignore facts and keep repeating lies. Btw Hulk is better than Steve and Rock.
But who have came out and admitted that Rock was the first choice? Hogan. Who else?

Fact is, Nash himself said that Austin was going through some shit when they came back to WWE.

Austin himself, in an interview from 2003, said nobody in the lockerroom knew what he was going through from a medical standpoint. He said he was placed in matches with guys who were 90-100% while he was 50%, at best. And he felt that as a guy who was a proven draw, he should have been treated better.

And when Howard Stern asked him if the Hogan/Austin match never happened because they couldn't agree on a finish, Austin said yeah and basically, only way the match would happen, he would have to win but then he said the match would never happen.



And how do you know for a fact? If somebody tells you something, it's automatically a fact? It doesn't make that factual, it just means you believe anything they tell you. Austin isn't going to bury himself and say he didn't want to put Hogan over and Hogan, due to the heat in the past with Austin, isn't gonna admit that he didn't want to put Austin over. And because we got Rock/Hogan, you're supposed to just assume it was the original plan.

I don't believe shit until Vince says it himself. Hell, not even Vince, if Rock HIMSELF admits he was indeed the first choice, I'll believe it because he's a humble guy and doesn't have a bad reputation. The other 2, they have egos and it's been proven. So, they're not going to say 1 of the biggest matches to never happen was because neither wanted to job. So they save face and just continue saying Rock was the first choice.

But, don't pass off none of this shit as FACTS unless YOU were there, then it's a fact.

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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

I am pretty sure The Rock was the younger and more hotter commodity.

Austin's contract was running out of time during that period wasn't it?

The Rock was younger than Austin's old ass and it was a good story. Austin .vs. Hogan would have sucked.
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Not to mention, Austin was in pretty bad shape. He says the match wouldn't be good because the styles are different but it's obvious that in 2002, Austin wasn't what he used to be. Rock was in good shape and pretty healthy, so it made sense to be Rock/Hogan.

I personally feel Austin didn't want to work with Hogan anyway. Guys like Austin and HBK are a different breed than Rock, they don't like jobbing as often as a guy like Rock. Fact is, Hogan/Austin didn't have to happen at WM, it could have happened at another PPV but it didn't. What's the excuse there, because Rock was first choice?
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I like it. There is a donnybrook going on in here so I gotta jump in. I'll just offer my 2 cents worth on several points raised in this thread instead of trying to copy and paste a million quotes to reply to.

6) Payment for jobbing to The Rock - Yes, the Undisputed title run was part of the payment for Hogan to job to Rock clean, but also keep in mind that Hogan got paid in advance with a clean pin on Rock in a tag match prior to the WM match. Hogan also returned the favor to Triple H after he lost the title to the Undertaker.
I dispute that Hogan agreed to job to Rock in part to get the Undisputed title. The title was suppose to be HHH's ever since he went on the shelf. He was going to be turned babyface for SummerSlam 2001 and go against heel Austin as the original plan to the end of the 2 Man Power Trip angle. The biggest reason for the title change was that Jericho/HHH was seen as a flop and that Hogan got a better reaction to HHH. The nWo heat had dissipated as well and to get money's worth out of the nWo deal capitalizing on Hogan's newfound popularity was to get the belt on Hogan as soon as possible although I think it also burned him out too quick.

There was a reason why the title became a hot potato until it was settled on Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam. HHH flopped as a babyface and he was turned back babyface with his feud with HBK because of it. The Undisputed title was never going to be unified for long. Notice once HHH was re-established in his best role as heel he kept a world title with dominance although part of it was to also give the belt credibility.
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Not to mention, Austin was in pretty bad shape. He says the match wouldn't be good because the styles are different but it's obvious that in 2002, Austin wasn't what he used to be. Rock was in good shape and pretty healthy, so it made sense to be Rock/Hogan.

I personally feel Austin didn't want to work with Hogan anyway. Guys like Austin and HBK are a different breed than Rock, they don't like jobbing as often as a guy like Rock. Fact is, Hogan/Austin didn't have to happen at WM, it could have happened at another PPV but it didn't. What's the excuse there, because Rock was first choice?
This is all true. Jericho stated something in his latest interview that he told Vince Mcmahon that the planned match he had for WM 25 would be shit. He claims Vince responded by saying the match was not suppose to be good. I know some may take it that Vince doesn't care about putting out a quality match at the biggest event with that response, but I believe what Vince really meant was that it was about the spectacle of seeing the original Mania guys at the 25th anniversary wrestling.

Now I bring this up because the argument being made about Austin's condition may be true, but there is evidence in Vince Mcmahon's past that he is more about spectacle of excess. There might be a whole other reason why Hogan/Austin didn't happen which the public doesn't know about, but the excuses I see doesn't match the way Vince does business.

This is the same boss who brought back Andre The Giant with a bad back to have a match with Hulk Hogan at WM 3 because he knew it was a big money match to sell out the Pontiac SilverDome. So I'm suppose to believe that this same man years later won't even think of doing Hogan vs. Austin when he signed Hulk Hogan back in 2002? It's about the spectacle to him more than about matches being 5 star clinics.

Just like there a whole bunch of theories on why Hogan/Flair never happened too at WM. The company is known for butchering dream matches and it wasn't more evident than the wcw vs. wwf vs. ecw feud that was riddled with pure politics.

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I am pretty sure The Rock was the younger and more hotter commodity.

Austin's contract was running out of time during that period wasn't it?
These two things are correct somewhat(Austin was still under contract as evident by him being at the following Mania)and also shine some light on Austin's mindset at the time as some have brought up. Austin felt he was being phased out. Look at how the Rock vs. Hogan match was being billed "to see who was the best ever". Then Brock Lesnar is brought in as "The Next Big Thing".

I can see how Austin felt a bit betrayed returning to the company a year and change after coming back from major neck surgery that had him out for parts of 1999 and parts of 2000. He was the main guy responsible for the company returning to glory from when he was really hot and over since the summer of 1997.

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It's just that a guy like Rock is more inclined to be booked in these big matches, always has and always will, because he doesn't play politics. Only time I can recall hearing Rock turn something down was a program with Booker T when he had the Hollywood heel gimmick and that had nothing to do with Booker.


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Yeah no doubt. The Rock is easier to work with. Both Mcmahon and Russo have stated Austin was sometimes hard to work with. In defense of Austin he remembered what happened to him in wcw and I bet he was sure as hell was not going to allow that to happen again.

Hogan comes in and he gets depushed in wcw may have looked the same way to him again when Hogan signed with the company in 2002 with his buddies coming along. I mean he was asked to job to Scott Hall. Storyline wise I understood the reason in terms of trying to make the nWo a floater amongst RAW and Smackdown. That the loss would be the catalyst for the company splitting.

I could see how Austin could view it as politics and a way to bury him to Hogan and his buddies all over again.
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From what I hear, Austin was pretty paranoid and you're right, it's likely because of what happened to him in WCW.


And in Kevin Nash's shoot with RF, he said there was resentment from guys in the lockerroom when the NWO debuted. It's like the logic then was "these are the same guys who nearly put us out of business". And Nash says he doesn't blame them for thinking that because it was true, why should you have to share the spotlight with the guys who nearly ended the company?

The only thing I question about Austin working with Hall is why WWE would want for Hall to go over. IMO, it would have worked had Hogan not turned heel and could have possibly lasted all summer, with varying matches. But Nash got hurt before WM and by turning Hogan face and Rock gone for a few months, Hall/Austin would have had no real legs to stand on.

People say a lot about Austin but if he indeed did get the finish changed, smart move on his behalf. Just shows that WWE completely half assed with his character until he left in June.
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