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Old 01-14-2013, 01:25 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

I always assumed he was too politically and economically weak at the time to say no.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:20 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

The night of WM 18 on LAW radio there was talk that Hogan vs Austin was the original match, but Austin didn't want the match. The guys at LAW radio stated how Austin thought Hogan would be up to something doing the match just like what happened. They believed that Rock was such a fan of Hogan that he didn't care about any of the politics. One insider went as far to say that Rock was a bit naive to Hogan's politics in matches to make himself look good.

Some also thought that Austin and Hogan knew the match may very well decide who was the #1 of all-time and in hindsight Austin had good foresight as that crowd in Toronto would have turned on him for Hogan. As mentioned Hogan vs. Rock is a different aesthetic than Hogan vs. Austin in 2002. Hogan losing to Rock would not have been the same as Hogan losing to Austin. Hogan didn't have the clout back then as he did in the 80's anyways since he just came back from the disgraceful exit from wcw with the Russo nonsense.

The match should have at the latest happened at WM XX imo.

I understand why Austin was on his toes with the politics in 2002, but I think the plan to have the nWo go over him with Hall winning to split the company was a good idea. The company sudden planned changes screwed up post Mania. Hogan should not have gone for the belt so soon as once he got the belt there was no reason to care anymore he got back to the top.

I also agreed with Austin vs. Lesnar being a tv match was dumb, but I understood why the company would want it. They were building Lesnar to the strap at SummerSlam crushing the legends which ties back to why Rock winning at Mania was done since he got passed the torch and would pass it to Lesnar. Although Lesnar crushed Hogan anyways on tv which was probably the scenario Austin was avoiding.

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Old 01-14-2013, 05:31 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

Because the rock jobbed to Austin at WrestleMania 15 & 17 and they were deciding who was second behind stone cold as the GOAT.

I believe that it was discussed to be Austin vs hogan before the NWO actually signed but once signed it was changed to rock vs Hogan. By 2002 the rock was more of a top guy then Austin, who really started to go downhill slightly popularity and performance wise. His head wasn't in the right spot as seen further in the year. Plus creative had decided Austin had ran his course as the top guy and were thinking of feuding him with up and comers. I think that rock vs hogan was the better match at the time but would of loved to of had the opportunity to see number one and two goat go one on one.
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The night of WM 18 on LAW radio there was talk that Hogan vs Austin was the original match, but Austin didn't want the match. The guys at LAW radio stated how Austin thought Hogan would be up to something doing the match just like what happened. They believed that Rock was such a fan of Hogan that he didn't care about any of the politics. One insider went as far to say that Rock was a bit naive to Hogan's politics in matches to make himself look good.
Were is the link? Why is it that Stone Cold fans always make up stuff thats unprovable to make him look better than someone else? Its a fact that he was never at any point an option to face Hulk bc his time had passed and Rock was already top man since late 99.

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Because the rock jobbed to Austin at WrestleMania 15 & 17 and they were deciding who was second behind stone cold as the GOAT.
You talk about Rocky marks trying to discredit Steve yet you guys are just as bad! Rock didnt win at Wrestlemania x7 bc he had to leave right after so there was no creative way for him to win. Steve was planned to turn heel late 1999 and face Rock at Wrestlemania 16 and put him over after winning the Rumble, my friends claim its bc he didnt want to do the job but i think he was correct in leaving for surgery.

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I believe that it was discussed to be Austin vs hogan before the NWO actually signed but once signed it was changed to rock vs Hogan. By 2002 the rock was more of a top guy then Austin, who really started to go downhill slightly popularity and performance wise. His head wasn't in the right spot as seen further in the year. Plus creative had decided Austin had ran his course as the top guy and were thinking of feuding him with up and comers. I think that rock vs hogan was the better match at the time but would of loved to of had the opportunity to see number one and two goat go one on one.
You believe, with what proof? I mean you guys bashed me so much yet once again have no evidence to back up any of your claims. I have received tons of valid links from ex writers and Steve Austin himself that proves he was never an option yet every time i mention it on this thread Steve marks ignore me, dont want to see the proof, and continue with there fantasy stories. Dude i am starting to see why Rocky marks are such assholes bc you guys are starting to become exactly what you claim they are
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

It was never meant to be Hogan-Austin, never. It was probably a good thing too, Austin wasn't in the right mindset around that time.
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Were is the link? Why is it that Stone Cold fans always make up stuff thats unprovable to make him look better than someone else? Its a fact that he was never at any point an option to face Hulk bc his time had passed and Rock was already top man since late 99.
Go to the LAW(Live Audio Wrestling) website and try to get or ask those guys there about the night of WrestleMania 18 broadcast/podcast(I can't post links yet) that was on actual Toronto sports radio AM 640. Anyone who listened to that broadcast heard this. It's not made up as Toronto heard this and this was the place of the actual match. When Hogan signed there was press release about the event being the return of Hulk Hogan and the rumors were Hogan facing either Austin or Rock or it being a six man tag match with Hogan/Hall/Nash against Austin/Rock/HHH.

For the record I like Rock, Hogan, and Austin. However, I choose Hogan over both guys.

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Go to the LAW(Live Audio Wrestling) website and try to get or ask those guys there about the night of WrestleMania 18 broadcast/podcast(I can't post links yet) that was on actual Toronto sports radio AM 640. Anyone who listened to that broadcast heard this. It's not made up as Toronto heard this and this was the place of the actual match. When Hogan signed there was press release about the event being the return of Hulk Hogan and the rumors were Hogan facing either Austin or Rock or it being a six man tag match with Hogan/Hall/Nash against Austin/Rock/HHH.For the record I like Rock, Hogan, and Austin. However, I choose Hogan over both guys.
When you make a claim you have to be able to prove it, you cant just tell someone to find it themselves otherwise you lost all credibility. I know for a fact that Steve was never even an option and that it was always suppose to be Rocky/Hulk. Its just funny how i repeat that i have tons of links to Steve saying this himself yet nobody asks to see the proof they want to ignore facts and keep repeating lies. Btw Hulk is better than Steve and Rock.
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Default Re: Why did Hogan job to The Rock, but not Austin?

See, I'm listening to an interview right now from 2003 where Austin says he originally was supposed to have a run with the US Title with Harley Race as his manager. Before a TV taping, he says Pillman came up to him and informed him they would be a tag team. And it was Dusty who put them together, but as an interim tag team.

He follows that by saying "The powers that be were the guys who were still in the ring, so they decided those guys were getting too hot, so let's go head & shut them down". Then, they went with Austin vs. Pillman and Austin says it was straight up politics.

He says when Heyman called him to come work for ECW, Austin said he wasn't cleared to work. Heyman told him to come anyway and he'd pay him to just cut promos till he heals up. Austin says Heyman asked him what he wanted to talk about and Heyman recommended Austin tell his story about how he was treated in WCW, which consisted of him bashing Hogan & Bischoff. The interviewer even makes mention of the fact that when Hogan & company came, it was the end for Austin in WCW.

Now, I'm pretty sure that his sentiments from 1995 or even 2003 won't be the same as his views in, say, the past 5 years. But, if you research and go back to that actual period, Austin was highly upset, as everything he was promised got scrapped once Hogan came. And I'm not making Austin out to be the victim, the fish just so happened to be bigger and his character didn't take off in the business until it became adult oriented. I'm just saying from the past (what both men have said over the years), Austin didn't care much for Hogan in 1995.

And from what I've found, Flair was head booker from mid 94 to mid 95, answering to Bischoff and it was said elsewhere that Flair wanted to work a program with Austin.

Basically, unless someone neutral and close to the situation speaks on it in a total non biased interview, we won't know the real story.
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I like it. There is a donnybrook going on in here so I gotta jump in. I'll just offer my 2 cents worth on several points raised in this thread instead of trying to copy and paste a million quotes to reply to.

1) On who was to job - Hogan has consistently stated in interviews that he had no problem with doing the job to Austin. Hogan saw a big paycheck for everyone involved no matter what the ending, and was motivated by dollars alone.

Austin, at this time, was developing a job refusal attitude that as has been pointed out included Brock Lesnar (whom Hogan did the free TV clean job to), so I could easily believe that Austin would refuse to job to Hogan, though I don't have any proof that this did happen. Actually, I don't think deciding who was going to do the job had anything to do with this match not taking place.

* For those that believe using "job" here is not appropriate, the IWC has forced the definition of "job" to be equal to getting pinned or submitting in a scripted match. I am 100% guilty of this sin, so it is what it is.

2) Vince's decision - From what I have read in the past it was Vince's decision to go with Hogan vs Rock, and that this was his first choice as the Rock was the future of business. This match would finally be a legit passing of the torch from Hogan to the next big thing whereas the previous attempt with the Ultimate Warrior didn't pan out.

And you certainly cannot fault Vince here as the match was one of those rare atmospheres for wrestling. In my opinion, and like The Body I call it like I see it, Rock vs Hogan was a top 5 Hogan match in his legendary career. It had an atmosphere only matched by Hogan vs Iron Sheik (the world changed that day), Hogan vs Andre (ratings spikes never matched before or since), and Hogan vs Ultimate Warrior (biggest face vs face match up to that point, and maybe ever).

3) Crowd favoring Hogan - I do believe that Austin feared this. Rock handled it well, and even played to it a bit during the match, but I don't think Austin wanted to deal with that kind of thing. To have the crowd boo you despite being the face would be a shocker to anyone in that position.

4) Bigger star - Rock was bigger than Austin at this time. Austin was having a souring relation with management, and his morale was lower. You could tell just by looking at him. Rock was peaking. Hogan was also having his last great run IMO. I consider him retired after this run in WWF/E ended.

5) Styles clash - I do agree that Hogan vs Austin did not make for a great styles match up. Austin was a fast paced brawler supplemented with some power moves. Hogan was a methodical brawler and power moves wrestler. Rock was similar, but with more emphasis on power moves and the occasional shaprshooter.

6) Payment for jobbing to The Rock - Yes, the Undisputed title run was part of the payment for Hogan to job to Rock clean, but also keep in mind that Hogan got paid in advance with a clean pin on Rock in a tag match prior to the WM match. Hogan also returned the favor to Triple H after he lost the title to the Undertaker.

The tag match mentioned above was also the closest we ever got to Hogan vs Austin. Hogan, Hall & Nash vs The Rock and Steve Austin doesn't get the recognition it deserves IMO as one of the most important tag matches of all time. The original nWo that was so legendary vs the two guys who broke some of Hogan's records. This is the only match in history that involved all three guys recognized as being on professional wrestling's Mount Rushmore (the fourth place being an eternal IWC debate).

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Wow at some of the recent posts. Thank you to some of the people who realized that NO ONE at that time could've gone to Toronto and been cheered over Hogan in that match, including Austin. A lot of people like to point out that Rock got booed when it takes pure common sense that any huge star in that time would've been booed.

Like it or not Hogan is synonymous with the word "wrestling" and he built Mania (along with Vince). And Hogan after being away from the brand he took to another level returning to Mania in a smark city was simply just not going to get booed.
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