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Old 01-11-2013, 02:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I think most smarks do not understand the purpose of a heel. #

A heel is supposed to get heel heat (duh). You are supposed to dislike him and want to see him get beat. And he's supposed to get the face over.

An example of a good heel is Hollywood Hogan.

Now lets look at an "IWC" heel. The IWC heel is basically a smark maturbatory fantasy. They do all the things you wish you could do in real life and get away with it.
They "tell uncomfortable truths" on the mic, when in actual fact heels are supposed to be liars and hypocrites. This can cause them to get face heat and make fans boo the guy who is supposed to be face.

An example of a terrible heel is CM Punk 2011-2012

Punk and his fanbase are the cancer that is killing wrestling. Ask youself, who has Punk actually put over since he turned heel? No one. He failed at the no1 job of being a heel. If you consider Punk a "great heel" you are a bad person.

Listen to Al Snow he makes some good points
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Times change. Wrasslin isn't in small halls in the 60's anymore where pulling an opponents hair is going to piss the granny in the 1st row off anymore. Al Snow never got with the times, and that's why wrestling moved on without him.
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Maybe so, but then again we have the right to cheer for whoever the fck we want. Heel or face. That's one of the issues I have with wrestling, we are "forced" to cheer for people like Cena and boo CM Punk. Well, I say fuck that. I will always cheer for the wrestler that is better in my opinion.
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Yes I know wrestling has changed, and people would like to cheer the "anti hero".

Which is my point, Punk doing anti-hero things makes him a terrible heel. Anti-hero badass should be the face.
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I think most smarks do not understand the purpose of a heel. #

A heel is supposed to get heel heat (duh). You are supposed to dislike him and want to see him get beat. And he's supposed to get the face over.

An example of a good heel is Hollywood Hogan.

Now lets look at an "IWC" heel. The IWC heel is basically a smark maturbatory fantasy. They do all the things you wish you could do in real life and get away with it.
They "tell uncomfortable truths" on the mic, when in actual fact heels are supposed to be liars and hypocrites. This can cause them to get face heat and make fans boo the guy who is supposed to be face.

An example of a terrible heel is CM Punk 2011-2012

Punk and his fanbase are the cancer that is killing wrestling. Ask youself, who has Punk actually put over since he turned heel? No one. He failed at the no1 job of being a heel. If you consider Punk a "great heel" you are a bad person.

Listen to Al Snow he makes some good points

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Yes I know wrestling has changed, and people would like to cheer the "anti hero".

Which is my point, Punk doing anti-hero things makes him a terrible heel. Anti-hero badass should be the face.
Leave the forced cheers to the casuals. I'll stick with CM Punk regardless if he is heel or face.
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I think most smarks do not understand the purpose of a heel. #

A heel is supposed to get heel heat (duh). You are supposed to dislike him and want to see him get beat. And he's supposed to get the face over.

An example of a good heel is Hollywood Hogan.

Now lets look at an "IWC" heel. The IWC heel is basically a smark maturbatory fantasy. They do all the things you wish you could do in real life and get away with it.
They "tell uncomfortable truths" on the mic, when in actual fact heels are supposed to be liars and hypocrites. This can cause them to get face heat and make fans boo the guy who is supposed to be face.

An example of a terrible heel is CM Punk 2011-2012

Punk and his fanbase are the cancer that is killing wrestling. Ask youself, who has Punk actually put over since he turned heel? No one. He failed at the no1 job of being a heel. If you consider Punk a "great heel" you are a bad person.

Listen to Al Snow he makes some good points
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Listen, we watch to enjoy. If I didn't like some of the heels, my only fave wrestlers would be Sheamus and more recently Alberto Del Rio. But, I also cheer for Dolph Ziggler, CM Punk, and Antonio Cesaro. I don't know if this demonstrates a horrible lack of faces, or that there are just some really talented heels, but it doesn't just make wrestling watchable for me, it makes me love the product.

Cheering for heels is the difference between me enjoying the product and bitching that every Raw/SmackDown is the worst its ever been. I can see where people are coming from. Cena's for kids (though I respect the guy), Orton is meaningless to me, Ryback isn't ready for the main event (I do think he's awesome, though). Kofi doesn't really play a character. But, if you throw in heels, you're throwing in some amazing talents.

Remember, this is the era of the marks; we all know what's going on. No matter how good the faces are, we're not gonna wanna reach over and beat up a heel. So if we respect a guy, and look at a guy like Ziggler and just see that he's got it ALL, why not enjoy wrestling that way? They sell us Ziggler and Punk t-shirts, heck Miz even has a t-shirt (going back to his heel days) saying "haters love me." The product should never turn them into tweeners, they should always play despicable bastards to make the stories work for the ppl who watch it 'the proper way' (you definitely have a point), but if people wanna cheer for the despicable bastards it's not gonna hurt anybody. I cheer for Sheamus against Punk despite Punk being my fave wrestler, and I'd do the same with a lot of other faces, but against Cena and Ryback? Its Punk all the way. Ziggler's the same way to me.

Besides, anyone remember the nWo? That got popular when ppl hated them too, but it was HUGELY popular. People wanted to identify with the bad guys. I personally think Punk is much more enjoyable as a heel, whether I agree with the content of his worked shoot promos or not; we fell in love with him during the big June 2011 promo when he was a 100% heel. Guys like Punk and Ziggler are why I love pro wrestling, precisely because of how they're acting now. I'd love to see if Ziggler could play an anti-hero face, but for now I like him the way he is.
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I have no problem rooting for John Cena over Dolph Ziggler. I like john Cena; like everyone knows, he's a nice guy, grants wishes, hard worker. But when I'm forced to do it every episode for the past 7 years (more?) I don't like it. Obviously a lot of others, not just IWC, don't like it either. It's not the just the IWC chanting Cena sucks.

If I was at a live event, I'd boo a heel and cheer a face. no problem (boo him until they make him interesting). But since this site means absolutely nothing to the wrestling industry or has any effect on what Vince will do next, we can and should say what we actually think of a wrestler.

Liking John Cena for beinf a nice guy, hard worker, etc. is no different than liking Ziggler for being a nice guy, hard worker, etc. we know one has to lose and one has to lose.
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