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Old 01-12-2013, 02:40 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Actually Punk IS a great heel, the amount of smarks just increased around the past year, stupid and idiot ones too.

The reason that Punk isn't hated as he should be is because he was the underdog in almost all his feuds and matches and people root for the underdog. Also a lot of members of Cenation had their balls dropped and realized that Cena isn't great as he's supposed to be, so who did they turn to? Cena's arch enemy, CM Punk.

People, Punk's fans believe by cheering him, they're helping him and showing him support whereas they should boo him even though their a fan of his, this way he has done his job well, gets to put over face talent and go down as one of the greatest heels in history.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:47 PM   #52 (permalink)
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WWE have just become shit at making likeble faces and hateble heels. TNA do a much better job at this, disproving the notion that it's impossible to make good faces and heels in the traditional sense in this modern era. Look at Bobby Roode for example.. he gets pure heel heat, despite the fact he is over with the IWC.. or James Storm, who has got himself over as a top face in the past year or so with great mic work. While WWE keep making Sheamus do jokes about his Uncle Paddy and Cena making poop jokes, fans will continue to rally behind guys like Punk and Ziggler.

This is exactly the reason Austin broke out in 1997.. he started as a heel, but his badass attitude was getting him the biggest pops in the arenas. Similarly, Bret Hart was getting booed well before his heel turn, as fans had grown sick of his tired babyface act. That's why the double turn at WM13 went so smoothly. People forget Bret and Austin were already getting booed and cheered respectively before they went into the match.

I think this is the reason why Ryback has been such a success, too. His gimmick is that he doesn't give a fuck and just wants to destroy everyone in sight. He doesn't need to cut a 20 minute promo with jokes to get over, or even say anything.. the Goldberg comparisons are true, even beyond the streak, the power moves and the bald/goatee image.. Goldberg didn't have to say a word and he had the fans in the palm of his hand. Ryback, despite some dodgy booking decisions since HIAC and beyond, will be a mega star if he continues on in this fashion. He really needs a huge win to elevate him up to the top tier now though - it should have come already.

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Old 01-12-2013, 03:54 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Sheamus gives far better promos than James Storm, gets bigger pops, and has far more entertaining matches. The only thing Storm has ever said was complaining about what (Hogan?) was doing to the company, and it didn't take talent.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:14 AM   #54 (permalink)
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No matter how much you sick bitches cry, the best wrestler at the end of the day is still a face.
Every heel nowadays,is shown in a very bad light and often ridiculed upon in a very bad taste.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:14 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I think Punk is hit or miss with some of his heel promo's, they are either really great or really lame. That being said, Punk really doesn't do many heel maneuvers in his matches, things like low blows or going for the eyes, it often seems like Punk's move set is the same regardless of him being a heel or face.

Also, the screw job endings sometimes feel out of place in some of his matches, there should be times where he wins by cheating, but on his own still.

His promo's on Smackdown yesterday were awful, I honestly think they shouldn't have even been put on the show. It seems like he's trying *really* hard to get people to hate him instead of it being a natural process.
This is why Punk is an overrated heel. Majority of his promos rely on cheap heat. Also, there's nothing new in playing a coward heel.

I guess all that changed since 1-7-13 though. I say let Punk's character evolve, to the point that he might become of the greatest heels in history if given the chance to have great feuds.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:22 AM   #56 (permalink)
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WWE have just become shit at making likeble faces and hateble heels. TNA do a much better job at this, disproving the notion that it's impossible to make good faces and heels in the traditional sense in this modern era. Look at Bobby Roode for example.. he gets pure heel heat, despite the fact he is over with the IWC.. or James Storm, who has got himself over as a top face in the past year or so with great mic work. While WWE keep making Sheamus do jokes about his Uncle Paddy and Cena making poop jokes, fans will continue to rally behind guys like Punk and Ziggler.
In contrast to Punk, I believe Bobby Roode is an underrated heel and should have won the Heel of the Year Award in 2012. And he's not much over by the IWC either.

But I do agree that Punk is an effective heel in some way that splits 50/50 cheers and boo's from the fans. Much like Cena's polarizing chants. This is why Punk/Cena jives very well together and could have had a longer and more epic feud.
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