REAL heels vs IWC heels - Page 5 - Wrestling Forum : WWE, TNA, Debate League, Wrestling Videos, Women of Wrestling Forums
Reply

Old 01-12-2013, 12:16 PM   #41 (permalink)
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
 
Dubbletrousers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 386
Dubbletrousers Dubbletrousers Dubbletrousers Dubbletrousers Dubbletrousers Dubbletrousers Dubbletrousers
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bossdude View Post
If you consider Punk a "great heel" you are a bad person.
You sound like a 10 year old that started crying over one of Punks insults by saying this.
Dubbletrousers is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 01-12-2013, 12:47 PM   #42 (permalink)
Little Poppa Pump
 
Deshad C.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: In The California Sun...
Posts: 2,182
Deshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new hereDeshad C. better hope they're relatively new here
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

The OP is right to a point.

Not about Punk and his fans being a cancer and all that, cuz that's grossly untrue, but about Heels existing to put over Faces. That is the ESSENCE of wrestling. That's what it's about, and to argue otherwise is foolish.

I mean, if you don't believe me than all you need to do is look at the turn Punk has taken for this feud with The Rock.

Until now, Punk has towed the line between being a tweener and a full fledged heel. His character, while pompous and arrogant, has always had the aura of "He's telling the truth, he's right, he's the voice of the voiceless."

It wasn't until last Monday that he actually attacked the fans in a meaningful way and said "Yeah, I'm the bad guy." Before, it was always "I'm not the bad guy, it's (insert topic here) that is the real problem." It's been that way since he started his turn and just now has it finally switched.

CM Punk is finally a true heel and he needs to be to play the folly to The Rock, who is undoubtedly the face in this feud. That is the essence of wrestling there. And it has made this whole thing a lot more interesting, much more so than Cena/Rock (even though I enjoyed that program a lot and the match at WM) mainly because both Cena and Rock where faces at the time. Wrestling is always better when there's a clear face and a clear heel.
__________________


Thank You Taker

Last edited by Deshad C. : 01-12-2013 at 12:53 PM.
Deshad C. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:03 PM   #43 (permalink)
Vince gives me a comedy gimmick
 
Rick_James's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,155
Rick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missed
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

I think Punk is hit or miss with some of his heel promo's, they are either really great or really lame. That being said, Punk really doesn't do many heel maneuvers in his matches, things like low blows or going for the eyes, it often seems like Punk's move set is the same regardless of him being a heel or face.

Also, the screw job endings sometimes feel out of place in some of his matches, there should be times where he wins by cheating, but on his own still.

His promo's on Smackdown yesterday were awful, I honestly think they shouldn't have even been put on the show. It seems like he's trying *really* hard to get people to hate him instead of it being a natural process.
Rick_James is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:04 PM   #44 (permalink)
Vince gives me a comedy gimmick
 
Rick_James's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,155
Rick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missedRick_James probably won't be missed
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

To Punk's credit though, I do think he has put over Ryback, even if he hasn't given him the title. Ryback's push in general did most of the work, but Punk definitely did help here.
Rick_James is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:11 PM   #45 (permalink)
Learning to break kayfabe
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 72
Jeffie is an after thoughtJeffie is an after thought
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

Now I have never been to a live show, because WWE has never been in Denmark..

But I am not a fan of cheering the heel... The heel tries to get you to hate him, therefore if you are a fan of the guy, then help him becomming over by booing him instead of cheering him.

The boo can easily be used as a sign of "I love what you are doing out there" - And one boo starts another boo, like a cheer starts another cheer..

And then just be silent for the face that you hate Because no reaction is the best way to show that you are not interested
__________________
Member of the Danish Wrestling Community ;D
Jeffie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:21 PM   #46 (permalink)
Sekai No Kana
 
KANA Lock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 6,305
KANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missedKANA Lock probably won't be missed
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

A heel is complimented by being booed by the crowd. That shows they're over as heels. Faces are complimented with cheers.

I'll boo Ziggler at a show, and cheer for Ryback at a live show.
I get you can cheer whoever you want to. But still, IMO, I'm going kayfabe wise.
__________________


Credit to nemesisdivina. Check out GFX Artist like him(and me ) in the GFX Section
KANA Lock is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:25 PM   #47 (permalink)
Acknowledged by SCOTT STEINER
 
KeepinItReal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,241
KeepinItReal needs to take rep more seriousKeepinItReal needs to take rep more seriousKeepinItReal needs to take rep more seriousKeepinItReal needs to take rep more seriousKeepinItReal needs to take rep more seriousKeepinItReal needs to take rep more serious
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

Quote:
Originally Posted by Santino4WWEChamp View Post
If a heel is good you hate them no matter what you think of them in real life. IMO Jericho in his fued with punk was great and I just wanted to see him get beaten up even though I respect him as a performer.
I'm so ith you there. I love Punk and a lot of other heels, but Jericho was just a slimy bastard. His face and heel personas are SOOOO different, I wanted to see his head torn off, and only during commercial breaks do I remember how great Jericho is.
__________________
WWE favorites: Punk, Sheamus, Lesnar, Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns,
Del Rio, Orton, Bryan, Ziggler, Wyatt, Usos, Cesaro, Mysterio, Kane
DGPW: Doi, Yoshino, Tozawa, Yamato, Dragon Kid, BxB Hulk, Ricochet, Super Shisa
NJPW: Okada, Nakamura, Styles ROH: Briscoes, Fish and O'Reilly, Young Bucks
All-Time: Rock, Punk, Lesnar, Angle

KeepinItReal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:33 PM   #48 (permalink)
Acknowledged by SCOTT STEINER
 
Biast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,044
Biast needs to take rep more seriousBiast needs to take rep more seriousBiast needs to take rep more seriousBiast needs to take rep more seriousBiast needs to take rep more seriousBiast needs to take rep more seriousBiast needs to take rep more seriousBiast needs to take rep more serious
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bossdude View Post
Ask youself, who has Punk actually put over since he turned heel? No one. He failed at the no1 job of being a heel.

Of course he hasn't put anyone over! He is the best in the world, thus he doesnt lose!
Biast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:34 PM   #49 (permalink)
Acknowledged by SCOTT STEINER
 
Defei's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,471
Defei should be embarassed if they have more than 50 postsDefei should be embarassed if they have more than 50 postsDefei should be embarassed if they have more than 50 postsDefei should be embarassed if they have more than 50 postsDefei should be embarassed if they have more than 50 posts
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

Quote:
Originally Posted by I know its Kojima View Post
The ufc doesnt have heels (aside from chael sonnen) but somehow they are doing just fine. I understand its different with ufc being an actual sport and such but still. Heel vs face is as much a dead old time idea as playing cowboys vs indians. Johncena gets the exact reaction you want these days. Half cheering, half booing but 100% of the people in that building are shouting his name. With all the options available in daily life is outdated to believe that you can "force" everyone to love the face/hate the heel.
Brock Lesnar was essentially a heel and he was the biggest draw they ever had.
__________________

Defei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:39 PM   #50 (permalink)
Humbled
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,096
nevereveragainu is an after thoughtnevereveragainu is an after thought
Default Re: REAL heels vs IWC heels

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffie View Post
Now I have never been to a live show, because WWE has never been in Denmark..

But I am not a fan of cheering the heel... The heel tries to get you to hate him, therefore if you are a fan of the guy, then help him becomming over by booing him instead of cheering him.

The boo can easily be used as a sign of "I love what you are doing out there" - And one boo starts another boo, like a cheer starts another cheer..

And then just be silent for the face that you hate Because no reaction is the best way to show that you are not interested
input; Steve austin, im not a sheep or a puppet, i know what i like, society has changed or could just be silent and just applude the cleverness and or atheletisism like they do in japan etc
nevereveragainu is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios