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Old 01-11-2013, 06:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Don't really see where this thread is going other than the "I don' like Punk and the world needs to know even though it's in every one of my posts" circlejerk.

What about heels like Jericho and JBL that the internet generally likes and also do everything they can to be hated? See what I did there? Didn't collectively say that everyone on the internet is under one name and all share the same opinion.

The IWC is the fucking worst term on this site other than buried.

And I still think a heel's top job is just to piss off the crowd.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:23 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Even though the OP's points are flawed, CM Punk's mic skills will always be overrated to me. Basically, all he spouts come from smark ranters with a touch of wit and balls!
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:29 AM   #23 (permalink)
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If I was 10 years old I would agree with you, but the fact of the matter is that the days of Good vs. Evil are passť. I've grown up. I don't see the World as black and white anymore.

CM Punk's character maybe the biggest asshole around, but the fact of the matter is that he's 100% honest about it.
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Too bad I only see the world as color black.

But CM Punk is not sincere! He's a bad person! I AM JEALOUS OF HIM!!!
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:31 AM   #24 (permalink)
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So, what you're saying is that cheating is good?
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:38 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I love all heels. Does this make me a bad person?
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:52 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I was with you for the first 4 paragraphs. But I disagree with you on Punk being a 'cancer' to the wrestling business. I think he's a pretty great heel, and if I were going to go with an example of an ineffective 'IWC Heel', I'd have gone with Ziggler. The Al Snow points are top notch too.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:02 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I think most smarks do not understand the purpose of a heel. #

A heel is supposed to get heel heat (duh). You are supposed to dislike him and want to see him get beat. And he's supposed to get the face over.

An example of a good heel is Hollywood Hogan.

Now lets look at an "IWC" heel. The IWC heel is basically a smark maturbatory fantasy. They do all the things you wish you could do in real life and get away with it.
They "tell uncomfortable truths" on the mic, when in actual fact heels are supposed to be liars and hypocrites. This can cause them to get face heat and make fans boo the guy who is supposed to be face.

An example of a terrible heel is CM Punk 2011-2012

Punk and his fanbase are the cancer that is killing wrestling. Ask youself, who has Punk actually put over since he turned heel? No one. He failed at the no1 job of being a heel. If you consider Punk a "great heel" you are a bad person.

Listen to Al Snow he makes some good points

What? How can Punk put people over when no one has even put him over cleanly himself, he man isnt even established yet as a top man. Even if we are talkign about Punk putting people over, have you see his win/loss record last year?. He isnt even even a veteran in the WWE the only people putting people over in the WWe right now should be Rock, Cena, Triple and to a lesser extent Orton, you know veterans who have had experience.

And how can you say CM Punk is the worst example of a heel when Chris Jericho was getting the same reaction from fans in the attitude era... People were cheering Jericho when he was a heel and used the same promo techniques that CM Punk has been using...

I was actually liking your post until you went to blind hating...

But on a lighter note I agree heels are supposed to be boo'ed over cheered but WWE cant make likable faces right now, John Cena, Sheamus and even CM Punk as a face were horrible because there was way too much pandering to the audience. hardcore fans dont like that sort of thing, they want someone who can get down to business a smug arrogant face who can pretty much tell it, not how it is, but how they feel it is so the fans can eat it up. Basically its a anti-hero character that WWe havent done for years.

WWE tends to change the character of the heel when they become face. WWe need to remember that why we liked them in the first place was because of who they were as a heel,, there's no need to give them a complete overhaul.

In my opinion WWE should just get rid of heels and faces and have the WWe universe boo and cheer whoever they want, hell Cena is the prime example of that :P
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:19 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I think most smarks do not understand the purpose of a heel. #

A heel is supposed to get heel heat (duh). You are supposed to dislike him and want to see him get beat. And he's supposed to get the face over.

An example of a good heel is Hollywood Hogan.

Now lets look at an "IWC" heel. The IWC heel is basically a smark maturbatory fantasy. They do all the things you wish you could do in real life and get away with it.
They "tell uncomfortable truths" on the mic, when in actual fact heels are supposed to be liars and hypocrites. This can cause them to get face heat and make fans boo the guy who is supposed to be face.

An example of a terrible heel is CM Punk 2011-2012

Punk and his fanbase are the cancer that is killing wrestling. Ask youself, who has Punk actually put over since he turned heel? No one. He failed at the no1 job of being a heel. If you consider Punk a "great heel" you are a bad person.

Listen to Al Snow he makes some good points
This has pretty much been the theme of Punk's reign of terror.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:33 AM   #29 (permalink)
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To get a face over, the heel needs to be over. CM Punk is not over as a heel. But that really isn't Punk's fault. He has been booked worse than Diesel was during his title run. I think CM Punk was great during the SES, one of the best angles that never reached its full potential. Another point which annoys me about heels now, is that they have the exact same moveset when they are a face. There is hardly any true heel tactics used, and people naturally like those guys who are technically sound, especially in the IWC, which is why I think Punk needs to change his move set up a bit.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:53 AM   #30 (permalink)
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If a heel is good you hate them no matter what you think of them in real life. IMO Jericho in his fued with punk was great and I just wanted to see him get beaten up even though I respect him as a performer.
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