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Old 01-11-2013, 03:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Agreed with just about everything Al Snow said there.

Never really liked him too much, but my respect for his opinion went up 10x.

I didn't know about the "7 steps" thing, but it pretty much makes sense of what I've been thinking about WWE matched for years. So many of these matches seem exactly the same and just end up really boring. Hard to give a shit anymore.

It's no surprise people care about mic talking more than matches since matches are generally slothy, go-through-the-motions deals that are usually overall boring.

He also said some shit I've been trying to say for awhile. pro wrestling is about making money. It's acting to make money. Not to do hammerlocks and drop toe holds and shit. It's to be exciting and get new people to want to watch and keep the people who just watched coming back.

. . .not to do hammerlocks and octopus stretches and shit.
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Leave the forced cheers to the casuals. I'll stick with CM Punk regardless if he is heel or face.
Well I can respect that point of view more than the people who suddenly started cheering Punk after his "pipebomb".

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He was supposed to be a heel when he made the Pipebomb promo but ended up getting cheered, so WWE turned him face for a while.
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If I was 10 years old I would agree with you, but the fact of the matter is that the days of Good vs. Evil are passé. I've grown up. I don't see the World as black and white anymore.

CM Punk's character maybe the biggest asshole around, but the fact of the matter is that he's 100% honest about it. On the other hand you have a character like John Cena who preaches about rising above hate, and hustle, loyalty and respect, yet he's the biggest sore loser around. He fairly lost a ladder match at TLC, then the next night on RAW he goes out and costs Dolph Ziggler the world title. That's not respectful at all. Cena in actuality is the biggest heel around. I always think back to the I Quit match that he had with Batista at Over The Limit in 2010. After Cena won the match, he still decided to AA Batista off a car and through the stage. Then he plays it off like nothing happened. He almost kills a guy, then he thinks he can still be a "Good Guy". It doesn't work that way.
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Punk has feuded with Cena and Ryback as a heel. I don't even need to mention why saying Punk needs to get Cena over is a ridiculous statement, and the whole issue with his series against Ryback is booking, which is out of his control.

Also, it's entertaining, which is why I watch wrestling in the first place. So... It's not terrible.
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I cheer for whoever is a good wrestler, and who entertains me. I like more heels than faces. CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, Cody Rhodes, Damien Sandow, Antonio Cesaro, etc. I don't care if you are a heel or face, if you are good in the ring and entertaining, than I will cheer for you.
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Keep in mind the two biggest IWC darling heels of all time: Chris Jericho and Triple H. I dare you to say either one of them wasn't over as a heel.
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If I was 10 years old I would agree with you, but the fact of the matter is that the days of Good vs. Evil are passé. I've grown up. I don't see the World as black and white anymore.

CM Punk's character maybe the biggest asshole around, but the fact of the matter is that he's 100% honest about it. On the other hand you have a character like John Cena who preaches about rising above hate, and hustle, loyalty and respect, yet he's the biggest sore loser around. He fairly lost a ladder match at TLC, then the next night on RAW he goes out and costs Dolph Ziggler the world title. That's not respectful at all. Cena in actuality is the biggest heel around. I always think back to the I Quit match that he had with Batista at Over The Limit in 2010. After Cena won the match, he still decided to AA Batista off a car and through the stage. Then he plays it off like nothing happened. He almost kills a guy, then he thinks he can still be a "Good Guy". It doesn't work that way.
Cena's not a heel. AAing Batista after the match was over is a good example... and it probably stands alone, and was probably done precisely to please his detractors. He's the ultimate good guy. Been watching since 2000, and I've never seen someone more humble than John Cena. The problem ppl have with Cena is that he's boring and predictable, which is precisely because he's always nice. THe biggest sore loser? When was he a sore loser? Ziggler didn't win fair, AJ helped him. And stopping Ziggler from cashing in? Give me a break, every MITB ambush is unfair, Ziggler's included, you're just a Ziggler fan (like me). I'll cheer for a lot of heels against Cena, too, but I don't kid myself. Cena's a good guy. All he talks about is hard work and doing the right thing, and then he goes out and does it. He refused to use the MITB as an ambush! He was honorable about it! Any ROH marks out there? Or ppl who just think MITB ambushes are a load of crap, like me? How do you like that?
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I argue with people all the time over this.. people say CM Punk cheats to win, he can't win a match on his own... well duh.. don't they realize Punk is a heel and heels cheat to win. He's been Champion for 418 days, I could care a less if he cheats to win his matches. HEELS CHEAT


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im tired of repeating my self on here recently about this but

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Ryback, The Shield, Brad Maddox.
I'd say The Shield pretty much got themselves over by just being badasses. Punk (and Cena by extension) were very instrumental in getting Ryback over. I mean, he was over before but the contract signing is what really shot him off to the moon.

As for Maddox, oh come on! Everyone knows The Brad Maddox was born over! lol.
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