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Old 01-12-2013, 01:32 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Ive never ever been much of a Goldberg fan. Certainly not in WCW, very little in WWE and certainly not looking back at wrestling history in hindsight. I will admit that Bill Goldberg had an aura of intensity about him, and Im not just talking the goofy faces he made when he got up from spearing someone. There was a speed and athletisim about him that you could feel was very much real. So real infact that Goldberg was notorious for not being able to preform his moves correctly, and unnessesarily hurting people during matches.

This culminated in the December 13th edition of WCW Monday Nitro when Bill Goldberg botched several moves, including a thrust kick to the head of Bret Hart, and failed to recieve the figure 4 around the ring post correctly. This lack of skill resulted in the injury of perhaps the greatest professional wrestler in history; Bret Hart. Bret in a later interview with the news paper the Calgary Sun, told them that Goldberg "had a tendency to injure everyone he worked with". The only way that someone gets injured in the ring is when either one of the two preformers fails to do a move correctly or theres an accident. People were injured working with Goldberg beacuse in all reality he was a horrible wrestler.

Move foward a little over a decade and you now have Ryback. Similar to Goldberg, Ryback is a powerhouse, who does some impressive power moves, and has very little mic time, and the mic time he does have (like Goldberg's early days) is very underwhelming. Infact, Kevin Sullivan once stated that he wouldnt let Goldberg on the mic cause he knew that Goldberg sucked at it, and it helped create an aura of mystery around Goldberg (im paraphrasing). Ryback is similarly getting next to no mic time, because its not a strength of his, and unless he works with some of the charasmatic trainers back stage who are good on the mic, then I dont see that changing in the near future either.

Goldberg and Ryback were both chosen to compete in the ring because of thier look. Both are very large, very muscular men, but the most obvious difference in my mind is that Goldberg didnt care a scrap about the industry when he debuted on WCW, as where Ryback has been striving for this for some time (having been part of NXT previously as Skip Sheffield). So at least Ryback cares to some degree, and its that care, that .. small amount of passion that is going to make Ryback become a more respected bigger star than Goldberg some day so long as he keeps working at it and the company keeps faith in him. Remeber, hes still early in his career. If you look Ryback, he debuted on April 6th. So hes been around for a little over 9 months. Not even a year into his character he hasnt done all that bad.

Does he deserve to be in the world title picture? Hell no! .. not even remotely close. When they started the Punk angle, he should have instead worked a storyline with someone for the IC title. Would have been MUCH better, and people wouldnt have resented this feeling that hes being shoved down our throats. Thats the part that smarks dont like about Ryback, is that they feel hes being shoved down thier throats, and to a degree, thier right. Large pushes like Ryback's need to feel natural, it needs to feel like they belong there, like with Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar. It felt natural as those two conquered things in thier rookie years. Ryback doest have that natural feel about where his character is, and thats where this resentment towards Ryback comes from.

Since people resent Ryback being shoved down thier throat, they attack him in the easiest way possible. They just compare him to Goldberg and put him down because hes not currently what Goldberg was when Goldberg left. Remember Goldberg sold like shit too when he first started. I think given some time, Ryback will improve and evolve, and when he does, he'll have just as many people marking out for him as people have for Goldberg. Probably wont be next week, next month and maybe not even next year, but he'll grow on people and have some good quality matches and a huge feud that will put him over with the smarks, and another decade from now, people will be calling Goldberg VS Ryback a dream match. Mark my words.

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Old 01-12-2013, 02:07 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Although I have a different opinion about Goldberg than you I respect your opinion and a very good post but this part of your post is not true
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Since people resent Ryback being shoved down thier throat, they attack him in the easiest way possible. They just compare him to Goldberg and put him down because hes not currently what Goldberg was when Goldberg left.
The Goldberg chants started when he debuted with the Ryback gimmick before WWE started shoving him down our throats.
The truth is that since Goldberg every powerhouse was called the new Goldberg. Even Brock Lesnar received Goldberg chants when he debuted but he proved critics wrong and proved that he is unique. Batista was also called a new Goldberg until he proved that he is more than an enforcer.
Both Batista and Lesnar proved the critics wrong and proved that they are more than Goldbergs and not only the fans stopped chanting "Goldberg", the fans also started to call other rookies Lesnar and Batista rip offs. When Bobby Lashley debuted people called him the black Lesnar or jokingly Choc Lesnar. Although Lashley was not so charismatic as Goldberg, Lesnar or Batista he improved in his feuds with Umaga, Mr. McMahon and John Cena so fans stopped to call him a wannabe Lesnar. Mason Ryan debuted and received Batista chants and disappeared. If he does not improve he should better never return because he will always receive Batista chants.
Same with Ryback, the chants will never stop until he surprises and shocks the fans like Goldberg when he did a jackhammer on Big Show, Lesnar when he did a shooting star press or Batista when he had a fantastic hell in a cell match with Triple H.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:38 AM   #133 (permalink)
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Because Goldberg was one of a kind. Ryback is a carbon copy.

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Old 01-13-2013, 07:03 AM   #134 (permalink)
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............................................. yep, Ryback's better.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:09 AM   #135 (permalink)
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:56 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Goldberg didn't say feed me more....that is one reason. Who's next is intense, it gets some hype, it's just gold
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:03 AM   #137 (permalink)
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This culminated in the December 13th edition of WCW Monday Nitro when Bill Goldberg botched several moves, including a thrust kick to the head of Bret Hart, and failed to recieve the figure 4 around the ring post correctly. This lack of skill resulted in the injury of perhaps the greatest professional wrestler in history; Bret Hart. Bret in a later interview with the news paper the Calgary Sun, told them that Goldberg "had a tendency to injure everyone he worked with". The only way that someone gets injured in the ring is when either one of the two preformers fails to do a move correctly or theres an accident. People were injured working with Goldberg beacuse in all reality he was a horrible wrestler.
Damn, yea Goldberg was a shit 'pro wrestler' when it comes to technique. And yes, he did injure people. But people always say he retired Hart, and that's just not true. If they diagnosed Hart correctly after that incident he wouldn't have had other matches shortly after that one and he would've been fine. It's because he kept wrestling and receiving shots to the head that he had to retire.
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:40 PM   #138 (permalink)
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It's been said many times, but Goldberg just had it about him. His body language, his power his strength, the quickness. The ease that he did his power moves and the impact was just crazy. His music, his entrance. Everything just screamed intense.

If Goldberg debuted today and was in place of Ryback's character, he would be way over and they probably would have put the belt on him at HIAC.

Some things about Ryback just doesn't click. He seems far too scripted and phony about his tough guy act to me. Not to mention he does things that Goldberg does as far as body language and moving.

He doesn't connect with the crowd either well if you ask me. Example...at RAW everyone screaming for tables,,,,he in the ring pointing to a ladder. -_-

His moves aren't powerful at all either...and he does all of his moves slow.

The Shield got more intensity than Ryback has. lol
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:58 PM   #139 (permalink)
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The thing with Goldberg that he was in a restricted role. He barely talked, yet his character was hot as anybodys. He didn't wrestle technically well or have many moves, his matches were still exciting. He did a whole lot with pure minimalism and succeeded. His whole in-ring work was 100% dependant on heavily refined storytelling, at no point, during no single match was he made out to look weak, even when selling, he was explosive at every second. He didn't make epic comebacks, even against bigger guy, instead he toughened up and stroke like a pitbull, he literally shaked off the pain with his head movement for emphasis, not to mention he was always displayed as a guy who would overpower other wrestlers of the same size with ease. With Ryback, he just follows the bland formula of how bigger guys are supposed to act. It's little things like these that make a huge difference.

Same goes for promos/backstage segments. While Goldberg would barely talk, he would show intensity and he was always short and to the point. He wasn't scowling and doing pissed faces for a minute and letting other guys speak for hours before doing anything, he was fast to explode in action when another guy was in the ring. Ryback just hesitates WAAAAY too much in comparision, he starts attacking like any other wrestler, except he is beeing marketed as not beeing every other wrestler. He is far more passive agressive than an all out badass.

That said, Ryback doesn't "suck", he's just a victim of duplicating an art that was already mastered by another wrestler from the past, and he's never going to reach that level, it's simply a ridiculously high standard to match.
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Ryback is supposed to be an unstoppable force, but nothing ever makes me believe he's going to win against main eventers the way he's been booked to this point.
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Because Goldberg was one of a kind. Ryback is a carbon copy.

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they could have put any of a hundred, maybe a thousand, different guys in goldberg's spot and they would have followed nearly the exact same path. he was wcw's answer to stone cold... he himself was a carbon copy (a bad one). goldberg was all about booking and the backstage guys, without them he ends up just another mongo.

having said that I thought goldy was good at playing his part, same as I think ryback is good at playing his part. people just have an inflated level of nostalgia for goldberg..

ryback may be a copy, but that shouldn't matter as much as how he preforms and imo barring the shit poor booking he's done damn well of it.
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